Bioware, remove the PvP from the quest to get M1-4X.

[Leklor]

*snip*

 

Seconded on all count.

One time isn't too bad. Twice, maybe, if it's another class and another faction.

Every time? Please no.

 

As for Legacy bypass for Alliance, it need to happen for the grindiest quests, or, if not a bypass, a significant reduction (Like a single WB for Qyzen, equaling around 7 Jagannath Preys tops, cutting the mats for Lokin by at least half...).

[Pietrastor]

Seconded on all count.

One time isn't too bad. Twice, maybe, if it's another class and another faction.

Every time? Please no.

 

As for Legacy bypass for Alliance, it need to happen for the grindiest quests, or, if not a bypass, a significant reduction (Like a single WB for Qyzen, equaling around 7 Jagannath Preys tops, cutting the mats for Lokin by at least half...).

3 WBs for Qyzen is really not much, especially considering that you can get WB group almost anytime now since overleveled players can't solo/camp them anymore and groups always have to be made.

 

20 WZ matches and Lokin supplies I would definitely cut a bit though.

 

Legacy influence however would be a good compromise/reward for aquiring companions on all characters IMO

[tattoohero]

Where is the terminal?

 

But agree with OP PvP should not be forced. It is pointless to say you don't have to have him. How about I tell you must do 100 space mission plus 200 starfighter to get say Vette? Ok sure players who like doing them wont mind everyone else will. It does not matter if it 100 or just 2 the principle is the same. Also saying that companion can be gotten by the class that originally him is also pointless as this was done so you could take who you wanted regardless of class.

If that is a requirement for a companion, I won't get that companion because I don't do space.

 

I'm enjoying the new companions more than worrying about the old ones.

[DAWUSS]

Coming up next: GSF matches for a companion!

[Master-Nala]

Shame. We finally managed to establish a real dialogue about the "situation" and the thread dies a quiet death.

I think it needs to go back to insults and personal attacks!

On a more serious note: I'd be interested to see opinions about the options Billupsat and I offered to "fix" the issue while still making the reward worth it for PvP. I mean, neither of us are perfect, I think (Correct me if I'm wrong ^^) so more opinions are always nice.

 

I offer this respectfully, because you have thought about the issue deeply. At the end of the day though, these companions were clearly intended to reward PvP and give PvP players a foothold in this Alliance system. I don't think they should provide PvP alternatives for other companions and I don't think they should change M1-4X or Pierce either.

 

Providing different and unique rewards for different activities is healthy for a game. You might not feel that way right now given your distaste for PvP, but every playstyle should be able to have a place to shine in this system. And, yes, that means that sometimes folks will have to decide for themselves what's more important. The reward they want or the playstyle they profess to hate.

[Rakella]

I rarely comment on things on the forums as ppl tend to get there undies in a twist if they dont like what is said. That being said I think if ppl dont wish to pvp or pve they shouldn't be forced to do so to aquire what they would like to have. I realize that pvpers would like to have ppl join pvp and hope they enjoy it and would pvp to help build up the amount of ppl who do pvp. And that is a good objective. But having read many pages of comments and it being suggested that if you have to do 20 wz to aquire the companion and you would rather die then do the pvp it was suggested to go ahead and do them but just stand there and do nothing. Having read the reactions from that being said pvpers were irked and not in the least happy about knowing that ppl would actually join a pvp wzs and do absolutely nothing. And they were not thrilled about having what was referred to as "Noobs" in pvp wzs. And bascially wouldn't that be what happens if ppl who care nothing for pvp are ask to do this to aquire a companion? It will upset both sides cause pvpers will not be happy there are ppl who have no clue how to pvp are there and doing nothing and pvers will be just as upset cause there being forced to do something they would rather not do and the fighting and name calling will be like little kids having a tantrum.

 

Pvp can be rather intense and ppl can lose there cool when it comes down to the wire of win or lose, I know I spent yrs pvping in wow. Its just my opinion but if pvpers want more ppl to join pvp then maybe hold the name calling and acting like life is over if you lose a match and not treating ppl new to pvp like there stupid. Ppl new to pvp would not have a clue what to do as they have never done it. And it will not encourage ppl to pvp if ppl are name calling and acting like a donkeys hind end. And for pvers dont be so hard on pvpers they have there good points to in pvp you learn strategy from the many different ways ppl play there class. Because of pvp you learn to be hyper aware of your surrounds and what can come at you. Not saying you wouldn't learn this in pve but you learn it quicker and sharpen your instincts faster cause of pvp. Having played wow and pvped there for 7 yrs I dont pvp in swtor as I am completely burnt out on pvp. It will not bother me in the slightest to not have some of the new companions that can only be aquired by pvp but in all fairness there should be a alternative so that both side whether it is from pvp or from pve ppl can aquire the companion they would like to have.

 

I know there are many opinions on this and much bickering as well. Pvpers feel it is not that big a deal to ask that ppl pvp for something they want and they have the right to ask that. They are simply asking ppl to try the pvp and see if you like it. At same time those who do not like pvp and would rather cut off a limb then do it should be given the same fairness and not be made do this. There needs to be a work around so that all are happy. I read one post where a person commented that they were forced to pve for there companions and for ops. Im sry you feel this way but just like pvp it is part of this game but there should be alternative for this as well. I have friends in the game that pvped there way to max lvl then went back and flew threw there class quests since they were way over lvl and did them with ease. They were able to play according to how they wished to play and isnt that what it should be anyway.

 

Since each person is a individual shouldn't it be each person right to play the way they wish and not how others deem necessary. If pvp or pve is so dependent on a ppl playing one way or the other then there is no hope a game would survive. Games need a broad set of ppl with different play styles to make a game work. If something in game does not appeal to you then simply dont do it. But there is no reason on either side to pitch a fit and talk down to ppl or try brow beating them to get them to do as you wish that is just justifying what there saying when you do this. If you want ppl to take your opinions seriously then give them reason to with out all the bickering and acting as if your way is the only way to accomplish things. Everyone needs to face the fact not all ppl care for all things. You cant force ppl to do as you wish as its ultimately there choice what they do in game and making ppl feel bad or like there not good enough cause they didnt pvp or pve is just being a stinker.

 

As I said at the start of this post I rarely tend to post on the forums cause ppl get there undies in a twist if ppl dont like what is said. Everyone needs to calm down and put your self in the other persons position, see if from there point of view whether it if a pvp point or view or a pve one. Walk a mile in that persons shoes. Ask your self how you would feel if you were forced to do what you didn't like in a game you play to just get what you would like to have.

[Leklor]

3 WBs for Qyzen is really not much, especially considering that you can get WB group almost anytime now since overleveled players can't solo/camp them anymore and groups always have to be made.

 

20 WZ matches and Lokin supplies I would definitely cut a bit though.

 

Legacy influence however would be a good compromise/reward for aquiring companions on all characters IMO

 

It's not so much the number of World Bosses that's the issue, it's more the Jagannath Prey that either need to require a lower number or respawn far, far more often because as of now, it's ridiculous.

[Leklor]

I offer this respectfully, because you have thought about the issue deeply. At the end of the day though, these companions were clearly intended to reward PvP and give PvP players a foothold in this Alliance system. I don't think they should provide PvP alternatives for other companions and I don't think they should change M1-4X or Pierce either.

 

Providing different and unique rewards for different activities is healthy for a game. You might not feel that way right now given your distaste for PvP, but every playstyle should be able to have a place to shine in this system. And, yes, that means that sometimes folks will have to decide for themselves what's more important. The reward they want or the playstyle they profess to hate.

 

And your opinions is perfectly welcome. You may have noticed that I mostly offered a ton of PvP options to make it less tedious and still a PvP quest mainly.

I'da actually be more interested in that than the PvE alternative. That one was mostly an experiment to see how much restrictions would be necessary to make it as time consuming and grindy for PvE only that 20 WZs are for them.

I really don't oppose PvP that much, I think it's mostly due to having a certain distaste for competition IRL and the fact that my main character seems rather inapropriate for PvP (And I don't want to respec him. He's a Combat Sentinel, he'll always be.). I'm sure the quest will be far less of a pain in the a** on my Sith Assassin or my Engineering Smuggler (The next two who are up). It wouldn't hurt, however, to make it shorter, be it via a Legacy "reward" that shorten it or just make it shorter even without that. My reason to think that is simple: 20 WZs isn't enough to make someone good at PvP but it is far enough to make them hate it, either through constant defeat (Worst Case Scenario) or through maps being repeated ad nauseam (I must have played six Alderaans during the quest). Lowering the requirement to five or ten means there is less chance to repeat again and again the same map and it also mean that there has been enough playtime to motivate a curious player to try more but not enough for him to acquire a permanent disgust of it. I also think Alliance Ressources for dailies and weeklies are a must (GSF included).

[BadOrb]

Why is M1-4X not on my troopers companion locator terminal ? I don't PVP in swtor , I have been forced to PVP in the odd Ilum event. So this fact has basically made me not even want to log in and play , I'm not entitled I know but when you ( BW ) even mention in the actual patch notes " If you love M1-4X but need a healer , now you can" that got my hopes up way too high , what a thing to bloody write if I can't get him bleedin back , very very uncalled for. Really has put me off the whole game.

 

Cheers,

 

BadOrb.

[Jadescythe]

Why is M1-4X not on my troopers companion locator terminal ? I don't PVP in swtor , I have been forced to PVP in the odd Ilum event. So this fact has basically made me not even want to log in and play , I'm not entitled I know but when you ( BW ) even mention in the actual patch notes " If you love M1-4X but need a healer , now you can" that got my hopes up way too high , what a thing to bloody write if I can't get him bleedin back , very very uncalled for. Really has put me off the whole game.

 

Cheers,

 

BadOrb.

 

Just talk to Forex and choose the option to skip the quest. I did the same on my Consular to get Qyzen without doing his quest. As long as you had the companion previously, you won't have to do their quest.

[Khevar]

Why is M1-4X not on my troopers companion locator terminal ? I don't PVP in swtor , I have been forced to PVP in the odd Ilum event. So this fact has basically made me not even want to log in and play

If you're a trooper, you can just go up to M1-4X and get him back with a dialog option immediately.

 

You don't need to PvP or use the terminal.

[BadOrb]

Just talk to Forex and choose the option to skip the quest. I did the same on my Consular to get Qyzen without doing his quest. As long as you had the companion previously, you won't have to do their quest.

 

Well you have given me a lot of hope there. So i progress to that part in chapter XI then do that ? Also thank you very much , really might have saved my MMO gaming there. Ill get to it now.

 

Oh you don't mean the option on the companion locator do you ? As there are only 3 companions available on it , not M1-4X.

 

Thanks again ,

 

BadOrb.

Edited October 29, 2015 by BadOrb

[Jadescythe]

Well you have given me a lot of hope there. So i progress to that part in chapter XI then do that ? Also thank you very much , really might have saved my MMO gaming there. Ill get to it now.

 

Oh you don't mean the option on the companion locator do you ? As there are only 3 companions available on it , not M1-4X.

 

Thanks again ,

 

BadOrb.

 

http://dulfy.net/2015/10/21/swtor-alliance-specialists-and-companion-recruitment-guide/#The_Forgotten_Trophy_Major_PierceM1-4X

 

Tells you exactly what you need to do. You'll have to get to chapter IX, get Yuun through his quest and then you'll get the option to recruit M1-4X. If you're a Trooper, he wil have a dialogue option to skip the quest.

[BadOrb]

http://dulfy.net/2015/10/21/swtor-alliance-specialists-and-companion-recruitment-guide/#The_Forgotten_Trophy_Major_PierceM1-4X

 

Tells you exactly what you need to do. You'll have to get to chapter IX, get Yuun through his quest and then you'll get the option to recruit M1-4X. If you're a Trooper, he wil have a dialogue option to skip the quest.

 

Nice one , yeah thought I might have to do the Yuun quest , I'll go do that thanks for your help and the other poster. Exciting times.

 

Got him ah the joy , a happy trooper now for my second trooper he's on chapter 3 though. Excellent!

 

Cheers,

 

BadOrb.

Edited October 29, 2015 by BadOrb

[Ravenfeathers]

I seriously hope they change the requirements for this. It doesn't seem you can get passed this quest in order to get to Dr. Loken or whoever is next without completion of the Warzone quests. But I have no desire to run warzones in this game. I've done it in other MMO's but that's not why I play SWtor. Attempted 3 warzones at different times of the day for this ridiculous quest and all were horrible losses for the Pub side. At this point I'd rather not get the companions then keep going through that crap. Edited November 11, 2015 by Ravenfeathers

[hadoken]

I seriously hope they change the requirements for this. It doesn't seem you can get passed this quest in order to get to Dr. Loken or whoever is next without completion of the Warzone quests. But I have no desire to run warzones in this game. I've done it in other MMO's but that's not why I play SWtor. Attempted 3 warzones at different times of the day for this ridiculous quest and all were horrible losses for the Pub side. At this point I'd rather not get the companions then keep going through that crap.

 

Everything I've read and heard says otherwise. Did you do Qyzen? That's the gate that Lokin is behind.

[Pagy]

I seriously hope they change the requirements for this. It doesn't seem you can get passed this quest in order to get to Dr. Loken or whoever is next without completion of the Warzone quests. But I have no desire to run warzones in this game. I've done it in other MMO's but that's not why I play SWtor. Attempted 3 warzones at different times of the day for this ridiculous quest and all were horrible losses for the Pub side. At this point I'd rather not get the companions then keep going through that crap.

so don't get them?

 

there's no point in collecting all the companions. if you dont want certain ones...then dont complete the grind for them.

[Bobs_YourUncle]

Funny story that's slightly related: I was going to skip Qyzen until I had nothing better to do than run around hoth and hunt 20 worthy jaganath targets, or get up a group that would agree to be restricted to 8 members so my game wouldn't crash, until I found out yesterday that I can't get doctor lokin unless I do exactly that. Oddly enough, I went and hunted down the 20 targets and survived. It wasn't as bad as I thought, and now I can get a companion I wanted. It's ok for the game to have carrots you really want dangling behind a grind you don't like.

[Legolose]

Oh here we go, Gree event all over again...

Yep but like stated before and all why force non-pvper's to pvp ??

 

Simple question isn't it ??

[Jadescythe]

so don't get them?

 

there's no point in collecting all the companions. if you dont want certain ones...then dont complete the grind for them.

 

It's starting to evolve into a different situation with the new information that Lokin is gated by obtaining Qyzen. Now we aren't talking about a single companion being locked behind PvP, but potentially every companion offered being locked behind another companion. Regardless of the requirements, I don't like the idea of having to complete one quest in order to get future companions with no way of bypassing it.

[VegasTheLost]

(And I don't want to respec him. He's a Combat Sentinel, he'll always be.). I'm sure the quest will be far less of a pain in the a** on my Sith Assassin or my Engineering Smuggler (The next two who are up).

 

... through maps being repeated ad nauseam (I must have played six Alderaans during the quest)...

 

Just a heads up, Combat Sentinel is quite good for reg WZ and I guess you already know that if you completed with that. On the other hand the Assa is one of the most feared class in PVP so you'll find tons of fun with it. Regarding the Sabouteur Slinger that class can pull off pretty good numbers and have the potential to shine. So I guess fun times are ahead for you.

 

Regarding the repetitiveness of the maps, now you can see why PVP needs attention from the devs

[Shwarzchild]

I don't pvp, because I don't enjoy it as much as pve. I picked up 4x yesterday by finishing my 20 matches. I got a few of my guild mates into my group so we were queing together, joking in team speak, and having a good ole time. And you know what...we had fun, Playing 20 matches was nothing. I learned that I enjoy pvp when I'm grouped with my guild mates, and not solo.

 

Get out of yo bubble people. You may like the grass on the other side.

[TUXs]

I don't pvp, because I don't enjoy it as much as pve. I picked up 4x yesterday by finishing my 20 matches. I got a few of my guild mates into my group so we were queing together, joking in team speak, and having a good ole time. And you know what...we had fun, Playing 20 matches was nothing. I learned that I enjoy pvp when I'm grouped with my guild mates, and not solo.

 

Get out of yo bubble people. You may like the grass on the other side.

Holy *****!!!! My mouth is literally wide open...I came here thinking you'd be ripping on PvP...I'm very pleasantly shocked!

 

I'm so happy to see you type this man. PvP isn't the evil endeavor so many people believe it is. Starting it how you did, with friends, is absolutely the best way to enjoy it. Laugh! Smile! Curse! Unlike PvE, nobody is judging you by your parse...just have fun...pay attention and do your best! You win some, lose some...but it's always good fun with friends...even the blowout losses.

 

Thanks for posting this...you made my freaking day

[Ravenfeathers]

Holy *****!!!! My mouth is literally wide open...I came here thinking you'd be ripping on PvP...I'm very pleasantly shocked!

 

I'm so happy to see you type this man. PvP isn't the evil endeavor so many people believe it is. Starting it how you did, with friends, is absolutely the best way to enjoy it. Laugh! Smile! Curse! Unlike PvE, nobody is judging you by your parse...just have fun...pay attention and do your best! You win some, lose some...but it's always good fun with friends...even the blowout losses.

 

Thanks for posting this...you made my freaking day

 

I'm not saying PVP is evil. I'm just saying that it's not what I (and other people) play this game for.

[Hiply]

You know this is a MMO, right? SOME MMOs have had pvp as a core part of their systems since the 90s. Deal with it or go play a RPG. The faster you story people are out of the game EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU ARE THE ONES PRIMARILY FUNDING IT, the sooner this game can get interesting.

 

Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine. I helped with a couple of missing elements in your rant.