My Play has Seriously Diminished

[Almhath]

I'm a Founder. I've been here since the beginning. I've played all roles.

 

I used to do Ops and FPs every day, to earn Ultimate Coms, to grow my characters. (Please no one try to convince me to play the way they want, per set bonuses. I prefer Ultimates. That's why I sub.) Like most players, I prefer to be DPS. I can not get on at the same time every day owing to RL, so I cannot schedule with guilds to raid with them. I have to PUG and GF.

 

Yet, after Patch 3..., they made Rav and Tos so difficult that most PUGs can't do them, and I've been known to wait, literally, hours for GF to pop for me, and there are very few UCs that can be earned with FPs, so... Play has become an effort of frustration, with me usually standing around on Fleet doing nothing. (I need to stay on fleet to look for PUGs.)

 

Now, sometimes, even when I'm in town and could otherwise play, I just don't. Because it's an effort in futility.

 

I'm a player who used to enjoy playing most days to build my toon, but I can no longer build my toon, hardly. It's been weeks, and I haven't been able to add anew piece of UC armor.

 

SOLUTIONS:

 

I THINK

 

(1) There should be more DPS slots in GF that can result realistically in UCs. Please don't tell me to play a tank or heals. Like most people, I prefer DPS, and I'm asking EV to provide those slots, somewhere. SWTOR is a business, and I'm just a customer.

 

(2) TOS and RAV should be scaled back enough so that pugs can do them 16m, to earn UCs.

 

Otherwise, there is no point to me, if I can't build my toons.

[wadecounty]

So, this thread is just to complain, and nobody can offer advice? OK.

 

Srsly though, if you're that good of a DPS, people will seek you out to run with you. If you're not, get good, or learn to tank/heal. That's it. The end.

[DalekTheCat]

1. Find guild.
   
2. Queue with guild.
   
3. Earn delicious Ultimate comms.
   
4. Pass on all tokens because Ultimate comms are where it's at.
   

 

Problem solved.

[power-alex]

If you don't do progression raiding then minmax your gear with ultimate comms, augment it and it will be good enough for any flashpoint or sm ops. Ultimate comms gear doesn't give that much of an increase in stats and is way worse than token gear

[Faardor]

I can not get on at the same time every day owing to RL, so I cannot schedule with guilds to raid with them. I have to PUG and GF.

 

Yet, after Patch 3..., they made Rav and Tos so difficult that most PUGs can't do them, and I've been known to wait, literally, hours for GF to pop for me

 

You might as well unsubscribe. Groupfinder for operations will never pop. When Bioware scaled them to 8 man they at least sometimes popped but 16 man GF? hah good luck. And since you already said you wont join a guild or try to follow a guilds OP schedule you're pretty much not gonna be able to do any of the new content. As a side note you recognize the difficulty of the new operations and have stated you don't play much. Who can say that even if you do get a pop you wont be a liability? Especially since you don't believe that set bonuses are worthwhile and just want ultimate comms. Set bonus (Either a mix of old 162, 168, 180 or new Set bonus) and BIS 186 or 192 gear will make you do more DPS than the garbage ultimate gear. Especially since ultimate comm gear probably wont even give the you stats that you would want as a DPS. (either too much crit, too much surge, lack of accuracy, lack of alacrity (or too much) not enough power and always too much endurance)

[FerkWork]

OP Plez

[Fidelicatessen]

I'm a Founder. I've been here since the beginning. I've played all roles.

 

I used to do Ops and FPs every day, to earn Ultimate Coms, to grow my characters. (Please no one try to convince me to play the way they want, per set bonuses. I prefer Ultimates. That's why I sub.)

 

That's when I stopped reading.

[Nkya]

Focusing to set instead of ultimate isn't going to fix anything.

Since 3.0 The game hasn't endlevel content to offer beyond flashpoint to characters unable to join a guild.

Since 3.1, flashpoints (such as Blood Hunt) aren't designed anymore for this people.

 

Since the situation is lasting, It's unclear to me if it's a design mistake or a deliberate attempt to force people to join PVE guild or leave.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Nkya

[Kjetil]

I don't know about your server, but on mine all pug ops start in fleet general chat, they then join the gf when the raid is full. So signing up to ops via gf will get you nowhere.

[Loc_n_lol]

all pug ops start in fleet general chat, they then join the gf when the raid is full.

 

And then they wipe and disband at the third boss ?

[Sunzizwei]

, with me usually standing around on Fleet doing nothing. (I need to stay on fleet to look for PUGs.)

 

/cjoin lfg

[Kjetil]

And then they wipe and disband at the third boss ?

 

well, obvously

 

You would probably need to cultivate some connections to other players in your situation, or form a sort of late night raiding guild.

[Musevisa]

I see why you might want to get those 198 armorings, but all mods and enhancements are crap. If you add up the numbers on the 198 mods/enhancements and compare to the crafted purple 186 unlettered mods/enhancements, the only thing you gain is more HP, so why you would want the comms gear instead of the token gear is beyond me.

[g_land]

Ooooooo look! Another thread about the exact same thing by the same person.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=793355

 

If you choose to play pointlessly and won't listen to others suggestions...

Edited February 23, 2015 by g_land

[Memo-]

I see why you might want to get those 198 armorings, but all mods and enhancements are crap. If you add up the numbers on the 198 mods/enhancements and compare to the crafted purple 186 unlettered mods/enhancements, the only thing you gain is more HP, so why you would want the comms gear instead of the token gear is beyond me.

 

Oh please. I'm all for discrediting Ultimate commendation gear, but at least get your facts straight. Here are the mods in order from best to worst:

 

* 198 Unlettered (token gear from HM RAV/TOS)

* 198A (Ultimate commendations and Deceiver drops from HM RAV/TOS)

* 192 Unlettered (token gear from SM RAV/TOS)

* 192A (Elite commendations and Massassi drops from SM RAV/TOS and Lv60 HM Flashpoints)

* 186 Unlettered (only available from NiM DF/DP)

* 186A (from basic commendations and crafting)

* 180 Unlettered (pre-3.0 Ultimate commendations and HM DF/DP token and some Oriconian drops)

 

Some people will say the Unlettered version of the previous tier is better than the A-version of the next one. (Such as 192 Unlettered being better than 198A, opposite from my list) This is a valid argument, since what you get more in the A one is your Mainstat, which gives less bonus damage/healing than Power, but also gives some critical chance. But the critical chance from Mainstat has constantly diminishing returns, so at some point Power will be more desireable. I lean towards the order of my listing, though, since the Inquisitor class-buff still gives +5% mainstat.

 

- - - -

 

Concerning Enhancements, yes, 186 crafted low-Endurance enhancements are better than Ultimate commendation ones. Following that logic, the token drops from SM RAV/TOS give you 192 low-Endurance enhancements which are even better. Even better, you don't need token drops for 198 low-Endurance enhancements since the Deceiver-drops from HM RAV/TOS give them as well.

 

The only excuse of using Ult. comm. enhancements I can think of is using Accuracy enhancements to get your Accuracy cap. But if you can reach it another way (via Augments for example), then you should.

 

- - - -

 

Implants and Earpieces. Deceiver versions (Ultimate commendations) are pretty good. Compared to the token drops from SM RAV/TOS (Resurrected), they are pretty much as good, and also give a buttload of more Endurance. They have a different stat spread, but the ABSOLUTE truth is that Resurrected is better by a minimal difference. We are talking in the vicinity of 3 total points here. The difference is so small that you might as well use Deceiver, however, since you will get substantially more HP out of them.

 

The only excuse, again, comes with Accuracy. If the Deceiver one comes with Accuracy and you don't need the excess points (you are already at cap before equipping it), then it's a stat loss compared to Resurrected.

 

- - - -

 

Lastly, Armorings. Yes, 198 Armorings are better than 192 in each case - until you get 192 Setbonus ones. There's no point in holding on to uneven setbonuses, so only swap them in when you get exactly what is needed for a bonus to activate (so 2, 4 or 6 pieces). Setbonuses ARE worth it, and anyone saying their playstyle does not include them is just hurting himself and giving an image of badness of themselves to the community.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Memo-

[g_land]

* 198 Unlettered (token gear from HM RAV/TOS)

* 198A (Ultimate commendations Deceiver drops from HM RAV/TOS)

* 192 Unlettered (token gear from SM RAV/TOS)

* 192A (Elite commendations and Massassi drops from SM RAV/TOS and Lv60 HM Flashpoints)

* 186 Unlettered (only available from NiM DF/DP)

* 186A (from basic commendations and crafting)

* 180 Unlettered (pre-3.0 Ultimate commendations and HM DF/DP token and some Oriconian drops)

 

Some people will say the Unlettered version of the previous tier is better than the A-version of the next one. (Such as 192 Unlettered being better than 198A, opposite from my list) This is a valid argument, since what you get more in the A one is your Mainstat, which gives less bonus damage/healing than Power, but also gives some critical chance. But the critical chance from Mainstat has constantly diminishing returns, so at some point Power will be more desireable. I lean towards the order of my listing, though, since the Inquisitor class-buff still gives +5% mainstat.

 

Someone already did the math over in the class forums and without the percent increase from skills that classes used to get your list is out of order. I'll find the link later.

[Memo-]

Someone already did the math over in the class forums and without the percent increase from skills that classes used to get your list is out of order. I'll find the link later.

 

I probably know the link that you are wanting to link. I understand the math. In terms of pure bonus damage/healing unlettered mods from a previous tier will be better than A-mods from the next. But the A's do give more crit chance and extra endurance (while not a real incentive, it's not completely inconsequential either). An unlettered 192 has the exact same amount of mainstat+power/crit as a 198A.

 

I for one will keeå swapping my 192 token drop mods to 198A's from Deceiver drops, but I'm not going to spit at those who would not.

[Thompsons]

If there are any guilds that specializes in "quick hit" short missions like flashpoints, i don't know of them. That's what would fix the Original Poster's problem.

 

All you'd need to start one is one tank who has a bunch of tank alts. He could do the weekly on every tank alt he has, no problem.

[FerkWork]

If there are any guilds that specializes in "quick hit" short missions like flashpoints, i don't know of them. That's what would fix the Original Poster's problem.

 

All you'd need to start one is one tank who has a bunch of tank alts. He could do the weekly on every tank alt he has, no problem.

 

Except that this bait as it contains all the things to make people rage:

1) Comm gear hero

2) DPS

3) Raids to hard

4)Pugging

5) Raging and not responding

 

It's almost if OP wants to get a rise out of us... A rustling of jimmies perhaps. Or trying to paint anyone who thinks there should be readjustment with the Ops and HMs as idiotic as them. This thread should be ignored. Move along Nothing to see here but a troll post.

[jrwellworth]

Except that this bait as it contains all the things to make people rage:

1) Comm gear hero

2) DPS

3) Raids to hard

4)Pugging

5) Raging and not responding

 

It's almost if OP wants to get a rise out of us... A rustling of jimmies perhaps. Or trying to paint anyone who thinks there should be readjustment with the Ops and HMs as idiotic as them. This thread should be ignored. Move along Nothing to see here but a troll post.

 

Lol ya, the first sentance was the clue. Don't tell me how to play, I like comm gear, and don't want set bonus, and the real hook, "don't try and convince me".

[gblXsw]

characters unable to join a guild.

 

Please explain this to me.

[Thompsons]

Except that this bait as it contains all the things to make people rage:

1) Comm gear hero

2) DPS

3) Raids to hard

4)Pugging

5) Raging and not responding

 

It's almost if OP wants to get a rise out of us... A rustling of jimmies perhaps. Or trying to paint anyone who thinks there should be readjustment with the Ops and HMs as idiotic as them. This thread should be ignored. Move along Nothing to see here but a troll post.

 

Devil's advocate: Sounds to me like if you're unable to set aside a dedicated time to do ops, this forum isn't very helpful. Setting aside hours on a particular night is not a problem for me, but it is one for:, for instance, anyone from volunteer firefighters to specialist surgeons to new parents.

 

Like it or not, the relative shortage of tanks in group finder is a problem.Why don't people just play tank? I have no idea, but just because I don't understand that doesn't mean its not a problem. Clearly, for whatever reason, people don't enjoy it.

[JouerTue]

Devil's advocate: Sounds to me like if you're unable to set aside a dedicated time to do ops, this forum isn't very helpful. Setting aside hours on a particular night is not a problem for me, but it is one for:, for instance, anyone from volunteer firefighters to specialist surgeons to new parents.

 

Like it or not, the relative shortage of tanks in group finder is a problem.Why don't people just play tank? I have no idea, but just because I don't understand that doesn't mean its not a problem. Clearly, for whatever reason, people don't enjoy it.

 

probably because you join with another toon, lf2m tank for ages, then lf1m, then you say ok i'll take my tank. which almost inevitably turns into having to know the fights and if you do so, having to explain tactics, which sometimes you don't want to and probably some players are scared by tanking in pugs..

anyway since 3.0 it seems you can never have enough tanks..and in these new ops tanking is retarded easy..

[Joran-Koon]

Like it or not, the relative shortage of tanks in group finder is a problem.Why don't people just play tank? I have no idea

Because the general swtor community crucifies anything but an exceptional tank lol. If you're a tank, you're automatically given the "temporary raid lead" position and if you aren't good at leading or tanking for that matter, people hate you lol.

 

Dps say: "I just want to kill stuff"

Heals say: "I just want to heal peeps"

 

No tank ever says: "I just really want to move that boss around the room JUST right so everyone else can have the fun of blowing him up. That sounds like an enjoyable 2 hours of my time."

Edited February 24, 2015 by Joran-Koon

[FerkWork]

Devil's advocate: Sounds to me like if you're unable to set aside a dedicated time to do ops, this forum isn't very helpful. Setting aside hours on a particular night is not a problem for me, but it is one for:, for instance, anyone from volunteer firefighters to specialist surgeons to new parents.

 

Like it or not, the relative shortage of tanks in group finder is a problem.Why don't people just play tank? I have no idea, but just because I don't understand that doesn't mean its not a problem. Clearly, for whatever reason, people don't enjoy it.

 

I'm confused as to what your advocating against in my post, I'm just stating that obvious troll is obvious. As for not dedicating time the Ravagers takes 45 minutes once you get the whole candence down on SM. As for tanking, my main is a tank.

 

Because the general swtor community crucifies anything but an exceptional tank lol. If you're a tank, you're automatically given the "temporary raid lead" position and if you aren't good at leading or tanking for that matter, people hate you lol.

 

Dps say: "I just want to kill stuff"

Heals say: "I just want to heal peeps"

 

No tank ever says: "I just really want to move that boss around the room JUST right so everyone else can have the fun of blowing him up. That sounds like an enjoyable 2 hours of my time."

 

I must be an outlier as I enjoy tanking either pugs or not, To me it comes more naturally to me than Dpsing or Heals and the fun I enjoy is controlling the flow of the battle. Also making the boss focus on me as I'm a self-centered person, when the boss loses aggro to me it's a personal affront like you ignore me, I will make you focus on me.