Neoforcer Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 the 50% that doesnt most likely are not subscribers...... free to playloaders dont count 50% of the population no longer logs in thanks to BW and the handling of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghistwelve Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) But I'm pretty sure that they still all come to the forums to troll. Edited January 19, 2015 by Genghistwelve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spatnatz Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Absolutely not true. I've had issues on numerous occasions with the boss disappearing and the loot not appearing for me or my raid team. We had bugs with Coratanni not giving out loot. We all sent in very detailed tickets, including the time of day, the operation, who all was in the group, and showing our achievements for actually getting the kill when it was the first time. Guess what? We all got a canned response saying it couldnt be verified and therefore loot could not be awarded. Most of the time, it takes numerous tickets before they actually stop giving the canned response and a majority of the time we didnt get the issue resolved in our favor despite all the documentation we took. So no, forgive me for not believing that. From my own experience, and the experience of numerous people I play with it just isnt true. So they can't verify that you killed the boss, but they can verify who exploited that boss and who didn't? Amazing, isn't it... They're just picking and choosing when they want to exercise their ability to find proof of specific events that happen in the game. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 And again, if exploits are wrong then how many of you can raise your hand and say you never went and got the datacron on Rishi when it was bugged open? An exploit is just that, taking advantage of a bug for your own benefit or advantage. How many here skipped Gharj before they fixed it just so they could finish the operation faster? That was an exploit of a bug- anyone here who actually thinks they wanted people to skip one of the bosses is as delusional as the people claiming it was ok to loot a chest on an operation boss you didnt kill. How many people here click all the experimental guys in the final boss fight in Czerka Labs so you can ignore the mechanics of the fight? Every single group I have ever done that flashpoint with does it. And yet it is technically an exploit to get around the bosses mechanics, when he disappears he is supposed to summon one of the red guys. Yet everyone exploits the fact that you can skip that mechanic by releasing them all yourself at the beginning of the fight. Doesnt make it any less of an exploit to gain an advantage for yourself and make the fight either shorter or easier. And before anyone says this is just a lame attempt to justify participating in this particular exploit. save your breath. I have said on numerous occasions that these people should be punished in some fashion. I am only concerned that bioware will screw up and punish innocent people as well. I have very little faith, based on my interactions with CS and their responses, that they can actually perfectly track this and know for a certainty that the person they are banning is actually guilty. My point is, all of the witch-hunters in this thread are acting all shocked and outraged that people participated in this bug, when they are just as guilty of participating in other exploits. Stop being hypocrites and stop acting like you are any better than others just because you chose not to participate in this particular exploit. People shouldn't be using the term witch hunt anyways as witch hunts punished innocent people and these exploiters are not innocent they are guilty of violating the Terms of Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDo Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 People shouldn't be using the term witch hunt anyways as witch hunts punished innocent people and these exploiters are not innocent they are guilty of violating the Terms of Service.How about everyone calm down until Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoforcer Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 People shouldn't be using the term witch hunt anyways as witch hunts punished innocent people and these exploiters are not innocent they are guilty of violating the Terms of Service. The problem with that is people are accusing any one that does not agree with them so they are witch hunting. They are attacking people that most like have nothing to do with the exploit and want to see justice for all exploiter but because some one say hey you let other exploit this game why is this so special, They must have done the exploit right? So there attacking the innocent which is a witch hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexerjones Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 For those that are hoping for exploiters to be banned, I do hope you realize that it will be about 1/2 the population... I did some random checks of players on rishi and fleet and found that 50% exploited. While I cant speak for anyone else, Literaly every person I know in the game exploited. And that's not a small list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoforcer Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 How about everyone calm down until Tuesday? Na i rather have the sky is falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuriDogshin Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 How about everyone calm down until Tuesday? There's nothing special about Tuesday. The sword can drop at any time until BioWare says "we've done what we are going to do and that's the end of it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingFink Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 There's nothing special about Tuesday. The sword can drop at any time until BioWare says "we've done what we are going to do and that's the end of it." Which they won't say. When it happens it'll just happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Which they won't say. When it happens it'll just happen. At this point, it probably already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danery Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 People shouldn't be using the term witch hunt anyways as witch hunts punished innocent people and these exploiters are not innocent they are guilty of violating the Terms of Service. And I assume you never skipped Gharj? You never got a free or paid pull to the datacron on fleet (getting around the mechanics that are required to get to the datacron)? You always fight the last boss in CZ Labs as intended? You never went to Rishi to get the datacrons when they bugged out? My point is, most people here have probably done something that can be classified as an exploit very very easily, so please save your holier than thou act. Those exploits dont absolve anyone who participated in the Ravagers exploit, but please stop acting like you all have never ever done anything that is an exploit that allows you to get around required mechanics. Yes, I understand this topic was about the Ravagers Exploit but alot of the people here ranting about wanting the exploiters punished are perfectly fine with doing other exploits in the game, explaining away and justifying those things as "not being exploits" because they refuse to admit that they have been just as guilty of exploiting bugs or flaws in the game mechanics to benefit themselves or their group. They just didnt participate in one that also gave free loot. Doesnt make it any less of an exploit and doesnt make it any less of a violation of the ToS. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghistwelve Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I wish this were the ToS exploit we were talking about, then I could say that I'm not sure about casting the first stone, but it appears there's a big red circle on the ground for some as a sign of something imminent. Of course, those exploiting the final boss wouldn't know what that could even be. But since it's Ravagers, it's not even clever by half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otchiver Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Jesus christ... are you people still on this. If you exploited, guess what... you're at fault. Just because a door is open to a convenience store with no security, doesn't give you the right to steal. And before you start spewing at the mouth how this isn't that.... think real hard. And for those that are saying this is Bioware's fault... well, again that doesn't give you right to abuse the system. If you gamed the system, expect consequences if they drop the hammer and you get caught with crumbs from the cookie jar. Bioware patched a problem that had an issue around Christmas time, a busy time where-in projects in any business either slow to a crawl or goes fast and dirty till the end... there's never 100% guarantee that it's going to work 100%. In the end, bioware gave us something to play well over the holidays. Just some people were ******es about it and started to sell the exploit. It doesn't shock me that this just got fixed, but i'm sure as **** shocked that you people are saying that it's Bioware's fault. It's nothing but you're own... you had the choice, and you made the conscious decision to game the system. You played with fire, and you got burned. No one held a gun to your head, no one held your hand to the flames to make you cheat. Oh, and one more thing... to those that are blaming Bioware for this... I say to you, enjoy the next game you plan on playing. All the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 And I assume you never skipped Gharj? You never got a free or paid pull to the datacron on fleet (getting around the mechanics that are required to get to the datacron)? You always fight the last boss in CZ Labs as intended? You never went to Rishi to get the datacrons when they bugged out? My point is, most people here have probably done something that can be classified as an exploit very very easily, so please save your holier than thou act. Those exploits dont absolve anyone who participated in the Ravagers exploit, but please stop acting like you all have never ever done anything that is an exploit that allows you to get around required mechanics. Yes, I understand this topic was about the Ravagers Exploit but alot of the people here ranting about wanting the exploiters punished are perfectly fine with doing other exploits in the game, explaining away and justifying those things as "not being exploits" because they refuse to admit that they have been just as guilty of exploiting bugs or flaws in the game mechanics to benefit themselves or their group. They just didnt participate in one that also gave free loot. Doesnt make it any less of an exploit and doesnt make it any less of a violation of the ToS. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. I have never done any of those exploits with the exception of the fact that the popping the adds in the last CZ fight is a valid game mechanic as it has always been that way and has not changed while what they did was not a intended game mechanic it was never intended to be a loot pinata that allowed others to walk in and grab loot that they never fought for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundown Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Jesus christ... are you people still on this.Well, so are you obviously, so... If you exploited, guess what... you're at fault. Just because a door is open to a convenience store with no security, doesn't give you the right to steal. And before you start spewing at the mouth how this isn't that.... think real hard. Why do people always work so hard to find (real-)life examples? This is a game, so just accept that no analogy applies here. But ok, just so you see that your comparison is still not making any sense, even if you didn't think such a comparison invalid in general in the first place: you forget to mention that the goal of the game (if it were one) were to work through the frontdoor and through the security measures to get to the "loot". Now you might see that the "steal" comparison does not work, right? Because in fact that is the GOAL of said scenario. Anyways, just posting again to support Danery here: the shades of gray make it difficult. There are so many things where one can argue that mechanics are avoided/broken so it might constitute an exploit, but if you turn that argument around: isn't part of the game to try and find the easiest ways? And isn't the "black and white" definition that is used here more or less the boring "if you don't play the game as we see fit and follow the given strategy you are an exploiter" very limiting and open for interpretation? I am not doubting that looting a chest in an instance you didn't take part in taking down the boss in is lame. Same is looting chests when others are just fighting the guarding bosses/mobs. But that would not be an exploit? I just don't get it. Edited January 19, 2015 by Sundown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eartharioch Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I have never done any of those exploits with the exception of the fact that the popping the adds in the last CZ fight is a valid game mechanic as it has always been that way and has not changed while what they did was not a intended game mechanic it was never intended to be a loot pinata that allowed others to walk in and grab loot that they never fought for. I've never popped the adds early in the CZ fight. A couple of DPS tried that in a few of my last runs, and it always caused a wipe, so I'm assuming that there's more to it than just "pop them early"*. That's the fun part about exploits, watching people who don't know how or why they work but have heard about them try to replicate them. * Like you actually have to kill them. I was tanking, the DPS popped the adds and said "Don't attack them", apparently not remembering that healing (including Shoulder Cannon) also generates threat. After the wipe (caused by DPS ignoring adds attacking the tank and healer), they tried it again, so I dropped threat (letting the boss kill the DPS) and took out the adds myself, and then returned to the boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeiphoVH Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 People shouldn't be using the term witch hunt anyways as witch hunts punished innocent people and these exploiters are not innocent they are guilty of violating the Terms of Service. Well you are guilty too, Harrasment is against the ToS isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 And I assume you never skipped Gharj? You never got a free or paid pull to the datacron on fleet (getting around the mechanics that are required to get to the datacron)? You always fight the last boss in CZ Labs as intended? You never went to Rishi to get the datacrons when they bugged out? And you assume correctly! Just because you use errors in the game to your advantage, does not mean that others do this, too. Keep in mind that many people are only PLAYING this game. For fun. You want a free pull to the datacron on the fleet? Well, good for you. I'd rather do it the proper way, because the fun is NOT getting the datacron. The fun is the way to getting it. Thousands of trying-to-justify-something-wrong posts later and it is still clear that an exploiter is an exploiter is an exploiter. Some people tried so hard, in a way I feel like giving kudos for that. If only they would have tried so hard playing properly. On another note, I have not heard anything yet from anyone about anything having been done. Did the punishment already start? If so, it doesn't seem to have been overly harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingFink Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I'd rather do it the proper way, because the fun is NOT getting the datacron. The fun is the way to getting it. The bold text is relevant. The italicized text is irrelevant. You don't get to tell other people what to find fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigredo Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 On another note, I have not heard anything yet from anyone about anything having been done. Did the punishment already start? If so, it doesn't seem to have been overly harsh. You, Being the good little care bear will not hear about it, i Don't think Bioware is into feeding the mob their pound of flesh they typically have handled actions privately, although this initial posting leads people to think otherwise there will not be a public shaming of accounts to please the rabid dogs, go on to another thread and whine about some other "game breaking" subject that offends your delicate sensibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Keep checking reddit, if something comes down, it will be reported there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojomagro Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Pitchfork crew gonna ban a motha ***ka Musco coming down gonna tax anotha sucka Don't look at me never done nuttin wrong Chillin with da crew never smoke dat cheech and chong Growin up on Nintendo never use a cheat code Puttin in da work only run dat hard mode Never had a daddy run me through a single raid Work a honest day always get dat rent paid Never skip a mob cause I only run legit Passin on loot if I gots betta s*** On da starter planet teachin noobs dat honor code Never undercuttin just to get my s*** sold OG motha ***ka been down since dat beta Look up honor code and you see it mean Zeta Supportin dis game when I buyz dat Hypercrate Exploiter goin down when SWTOR finally regulate I love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFREYx Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 On another note, I have not heard anything yet from anyone about anything having been done. Did the punishment already start? If so, it doesn't seem to have been overly harsh. Hope the punishment wont be far off now. Wasnt bothered about the exploiters before but recently in game ive bumped into quite a few who are getting a bit cocky about getting away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightSaberAddiCt Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Somnow people are desperate enough to try and compare the ravager exploit to pulling people on fleet for datacrons. Lol, the sweet sweet smell of desperation. Give into the fear, complete your journey to the dark side. There is no other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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