Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Or, or! He could just use his Solar Sailor * i think the model was...* to go to his HQ on the ground and leave the *probably as he would describe it...* "Petty Squabbling" to his Admiral while he begins planning his campaign on the ground. That's the plan. And once he gets on the ground, he tells Veers to plan the ground battle while he starts the study and experimentation of a 7,000 year old ritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 That's the plan. And once he gets on the ground, he tells Veers to plan the ground battle while he starts the study and experimentation of a 7,000 year old ritual. What ritual would that be? *Putting off the thoughts Jerec might be better or more knowledgeable in rituals... Because Dark Side Scholar bias'* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What ritual would that be? *Putting off the thoughts Jerec might be better or more knowledgeable in rituals... Because Dark Side Scholar bias'* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 TELL ME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 OK, so to build on my counters to IG-88, jamming technology. Each Munificent-class cruiser is equipped with a hyperwave jammer, which, as well as masking their fleets to enemy sensors, jam communications over hyperwave frequencies. This is significant, as whatever means IG-88 is using to establish a connection, and upload his sentience programming to other droids and otherwise hack onto mainframes will most certainly be done through hyperspace. As realspace i.e a comlink, would be severely limited in terms of range for a unit of his size, as well as being a very archaic and presumably slow means of transmitting information. One Munificent can hinder such communications, 7 times the strength of that combined with the jamming capabilities of the Malevolence (which appeared to be able to silence such communications altogether) is going to create a pervasive field of white noise, which for the record was selective enough to not effect friendly ships. Making it impossible, at both long-range and short-range to communicate with the Hegemony's forces, as anything entering this field will instantly be blocked out. This drastically decreases IG-88's ability to hack the Hegemony's vessels. Indeed, the only means by which IG-88 will be able to perform a successful hack and subsequent conversion is by boarding the Malevolence and hack into the Central Droid Computer. However the chances of IG-88 making it to the Malevolence are infinitesimally low, as alone, even with starfighter backup, too many defenses must be breached. 1. Point-defense cannons: IG-88 and whatever fleet of fighters he has assisting him has 1,226 point defense cannons to contend with, on top of the firepower of the Malevolence. That's almost a cannon for every fighter, and it will be much more than that considering the IDD can't afford to field its entire fighter force. 2. Droid tri-fighters: The Hegemony has 200 more fighters than the IDD, and are grossly superior to the drones Trench has it as his disposal, they were capable of contending with Jedi pilots, and will obliterate the opposition. 3. Sealed and concealed hangar bays: The hangar bays on the Malevolence are not clearly visible, and are in fact secreted behind the ion cannon and within the mouth of the dreadnought, which may I add is bristling with laser cannons, and with sensors being jammed the chances of them locating these hangars is pretty low. Even if they do manage to somehow reach the hangar it will, like the Invisible Hand, be ray-shielded, meaning they will have to knock out the shield first while dealing with a swarm of space superiority fighters and laser cannons. And finally, if against all odds they manage to land in the hangar, chances are it will be equipped with turrets and IG-88 will be blow to pieces before he can even touch down. Noting it was not uncommon for hangars to have such a feature. Simply put, there is a reason why no enemy has ever attempted to land in the Malevolence's hangar, or the hangar of any cruiser of such size, because it would be a suicide mission. Indeed the only feasible way the Malevolence could be boarded is if the IDD got up close and personal, but by the time that happens Trench will be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 And just for the record folks: Grievous vs IG-88 + Nova Troopers = uncompromising victory for Grievous, he would slaughter them all, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 As an addendum to Beni's elaborated IG counter, here is mine. IG-88 Counter: Thanks to the pre-battle outfitting from the Trade Federation, the Sovereign is equipped with a host of communications jamming equipment. Why is this special? Well, IG-88 has to transmit a signal in order hack into droids. Once the jamming is activated, IG’s ability to connect with other droid brains at long range is eliminated. If jamming is not accepted as a viable strategy, Plan B is always an option. In this case, Plan B is used if IG-88 is in his IG-2000. Since, at the time of this writing, IG is, I will elaborate. A single Fury-class can target IG’s fighter (shouldn’t be difficult to find, it is unique on the field) and hit him with an EMP (which fries him and his ship), and then destroy him using the electronic warfare pod. ========================================= Not as long as Beni's but it works. What IG-88 now has to deal with a massive cloud of jamming frequencies that effectively neutralizes him as any sort of long range hacking threat. And with that done, a Fury class piloted by a Sith can take IG down before he can become an actual threat with his hacking ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Side Note: After some further reading, it is stated that the creator of the technique made his home in the very asteroid that Lumiya's greatest feats with them are known. In other situations she seems to not use them as readily as you may think, perhaps indicating that there was something special about the asteroid, which Darth Victivus made home? Other than being a dark side nexus, since quite literally, that is the only time we see Lumiya summon more than a couple phantoms at a time.The only reason for that is in making the Home her base of operations, she uncovered Vectivus' ability. I can assure you, a dark side nexus is all that is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 And just for the record folks: Grievous vs IG-88 + Nova Troopers = uncompromising victory for Grievous, he would slaughter them all, seriously. Currently busy with something, but I wonder how that works exactly Beni? Need I dig up the dozens of quotes concerning IG-88's durability, speed, and accuracy? Or the fact that lightsabers would deflect off of the Dark Nova Troopers, potentially surprising Grievous, giving them an opening? Grievous is a light saber specialist going against droids that have extremely high resistance to lightsabers and good armor coverings to stop easily being stopped by a well placed blow. Not to mention IG-88 is fast enough to dodge at least his first barrage, though I wouldn't be surprised if IG-88 pulled on some of his heavy ordnance. I will respond to the other post when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Considering that Grievous trained the IG Magnaguards, who use phrik weapons, any surprise would be quickly dismissed. And then he breaks those troopers open just like he broke an electrostaff in TCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Currently busy with something, but I wonder how that works exactly Beni? Need I dig up the dozens of quotes concerning IG-88's durability, speed, and accuracy? Or the fact that lightsabers would deflect off of the Dark Nova Troopers, potentially surprising Grievous, giving them an opening? Grievous is a light saber specialist going against droids that have extremely high resistance to lightsabers and good armor coverings to stop easily being stopped by a well placed blow. Not to mention IG-88 is fast enough to dodge at least his first barrage, though I wouldn't be surprised if IG-88 pulled on some of his heavy ordnance. I will respond to the other post when I have time.In brief. Grievous is faster than IG-88 and the nova troopers and therefore capable of deflecting anything they throw at him, and cutting them to pieces without them being able to dodge. Cortosis would be initially an issue for Grievous, but as soon as he has dispatched IG-88 and destroyed their weapons, it would be a simple case of crushing them with his bare, mechanical hands. Grievous also laughs at any heavy ordance IG-88 can bring to the table, quite literally he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Considering that Grievous trained the IG Magnaguards, who use phrik weapons, any surprise would be quickly dismissed. And then he breaks those troopers open just like he broke an electrostaff in TCW. Link to that scene? Though I would still like to point out that phrik weapons =/= phrik armor. Nor would the Dark Nova Troopers merely be standing still, heck if Grievous destroys their weapon before trying to strike them, the one he strikes could very well tackle him due to no longer having his main weapon. It is only a half second of surprise needed. As for breaking them open easily... I disagree because even if he could break through it in a short manner, he would have to hit the same spot multiple times which just won't happen in such an engagement. Not to mention there would probably be around 4+ Dark Nova Troopers judging by the storage capacity of the IG-2000. It is also good to keep in mind that Dark Nova Troopers have more advanced programming than standard Dark Troopers PII due to their advanced star ship programming. Going along this train of thought, it would not be out of the question for them to set an ambush should they detect Grievous approaching. *he clanks quite a bit, as we have already noted.* Even if Grievous was to be victorious, it wouldn't come without cost. Even then, we see Grievous flee from so many things that are of lesser threat than Dark Nova Troopers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) In brief. Grievous is faster than IG-88 and the nova troopers and therefore capable of deflecting anything they throw at him, and cutting them to pieces without them being able to dodge. Cortosis would be initially an issue for Grievous, but as soon as he has dispatched IG-88 and destroyed their weapons, it would be a simple case of crushing them with his bare, mechanical hands. Grievous also laughs at any heavy ordance IG-88 can bring to the table, quite literally he will Can I see Grievous' speed feat then? Because even his speed feat of 20 strikes per second is slower than IG-88's reaction time because that is from all 4 of his arms with them doing their whole *twirling* shtick. Grievous is fast, but IG-88 is faster. Why couldn't you have brought this up a few hours ago, when I had plenty of time to go retrieve the quotes? As for cortosis... Dark Nova Troopers are made of Phrik... Nor is it shown to be easily crushed physically. Edited December 1, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Link to that scene? Though I would still like to point out that phrik weapons =/= phrik armor. Nor would the Dark Nova Troopers merely be standing still, heck if Grievous destroys their weapon before trying to strike them, the one he strikes could very well tackle him due to no longer having his main weapon. It is only a half second of surprise needed. As for breaking them open easily... I disagree because even if he could break through it in a short manner, he would have to hit the same spot multiple times which just won't happen in such an engagement. Not to mention there would probably be around 4+ Dark Nova Troopers judging by the storage capacity of the IG-2000. It is also good to keep in mind that Dark Nova Troopers have more advanced programming than standard Dark Troopers PII due to their advanced star ship programming. Going along this train of thought, it would not be out of the question for them to set an ambush should they detect Grievous approaching. *he clanks quite a bit, as we have already noted.* Even if Grievous was to be victorious, it wouldn't come without cost. Even then, we see Grievous flee from so many things that are of lesser threat than Dark Nova Troopers... It's in the episode Grievous Intrigue, I think. Grievous is way, way faster than those Dark Troopers. His blades can strike at up to 20 times a second. You can be sure that he can strike a single spot multiple times very quickly. Besides, Grievous won't pursue them. He will be the one setting a trap for them. And he has a whole host to put between him and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Also, dat speed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4bfF0ibbxZ8#t=55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Even if Grievous was to be victorious, it wouldn't come without cost. Even then, we see Grievous flee from so many things that are of lesser threat than Dark Nova Troopers...Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 It's in the episode Grievous Intrigue, I think. Grievous is way, way faster than those Dark Troopers. His blades can strike at up to 20 times a second. You can be sure that he can strike a single spot multiple times very quickly. Besides, Grievous won't pursue them. He will be the one setting a trap for them. And he has a whole host to put between him and them. I will see if I can find it today or tomorrow then, doing some homework right now. It was IG-88 I was saying is faster than the Dark Troopers, which yes he is faster than them. Durability though, they far out class him. Though I do not think the B1 crew will do anything but waste their ammo. The carbonite wardroids are a bit large to fit in the corridors too... The B2's lack enough space to have enough to take them down with numbers, and their weaponry for the most part will be ineffective since they do not know where to target. As for IG-88 himself, I do believe there is a quote lying around here somewhere about him being armored so that only certain spots are weak to blaster fire... Though, I am sure it is in Wolf's thread somewhere. http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/star-wars-ig-88-respect-thread-1570917/ Ig-88 vs Grievous, Grievous actually has a high chance of winning. IG-88 AND 4+ Dark Nova Troopers vs Grievous, he just can't handle that due to their durability, squad tactics *they were programmed for such* as well as the fact the majority of the forces Grievous could send would be ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 IG-88 vs General Grievous is a moot point at the moment, if IG-88 manages to board the Malevolence he will use his position to hack into Grievous' fleet and use that advantage to eliminate him through other means. If IG-88 survives the space battle, I will present my arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Also, dat speed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4bfF0ibbxZ8#t=55 Obi-Wan Kenobi can react at a respectable fraction of Lightspeed. I'd assume that's pretty fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I will see if I can find it today or tomorrow then, doing some homework right now. It was IG-88 I was saying is faster than the Dark Troopers, which yes he is faster than them. Durability though, they far out class him. Though I do not think the B1 crew will do anything but waste their ammo. The carbonite wardroids are a bit large to fit in the corridors too... The B2's lack enough space to have enough to take them down with numbers, and their weaponry for the most part will be ineffective since they do not know where to target. As for IG-88 himself, I do believe there is a quote lying around here somewhere about him being armored so that only certain spots are weak to blaster fire... Though, I am sure it is in Wolf's thread somewhere. http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/star-wars-ig-88-respect-thread-1570917/ Ig-88 vs Grievous, Grievous actually has a high chance of winning. IG-88 AND 4+ Dark Nova Troopers vs Grievous, he just can't handle that due to their durability, squad tactics *they were programmed for such* as well as the fact the majority of the forces Grievous could send would be ineffective. Again, Grievous will trap them. He isn't going to go chase them when he has a battle to command. But that's even if IG-88 manages to even land on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Such as? Clones, lone Jedi, explosions... Lots of very basic stuff. Heck, that one time Obi-wan lured grievous onto that corvette, and Grievous threw him around a bit, he ended up running away since he had to get back to his vessel. Often with the clones he has relied on blitzcreig tactics and being able to throw them if need be. Neither of which would work against the Dark Nova Troopers or IG-88. As for explosions, sure he can survive most easily enough, but nor does he tend to stick around. Often he retreats when he lacks either Surprise *absent here*, Intimidation *can't intimidate droids*, fear *again, droids...* and while this wouldn't phase him against most droids, seeing his rapid lightsaber strikes bouncing off of them *which he would be unlikely to focus on a single point in the beginning* would unsettle him. His Magnaguards having Phrik staves or not, Phrik armor such as the Dark Nova Troopers wear is foreign to him and he would be likely to retreat to think of a way to defeat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 IG-88 vs General Grievous is a moot point at the moment, if IG-88 manages to board the Malevolence he will use his position to hack into Grievous' fleet and use that advantage to eliminate him through other means. If IG-88 survives the space battle, I will present my arguments. For the most part, agreed. The whole reason IG-88 is trying to get on board is to hijack their signal and broad cast it to their fleet. Grievous isn't even his target. Though, I still feel that he will make it to the Malevolence using one of these methods: 1. Cloaking device from Soro Suub if able. 2. Disrupting enemy targeting computers and sensors as he passes by. Sure there are other methods, but these are the main two right now that are viable. As for where he would land, now that I think about it, it is more likely that he would go for one of the hatches just as Anakin Skywalker did since he is an Assassin droid, preferring to remain out of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Clones, lone Jedi, explosions... Lots of very basic stuff. Heck, that one time Obi-wan lured grievous onto that corvette, and Grievous threw him around a bit, he ended up running away since he had to get back to his vessel. Often with the clones he has relied on blitzcreig tactics and being able to throw them if need be. Neither of which would work against the Dark Nova Troopers or IG-88. As for explosions, sure he can survive most easily enough, but nor does he tend to stick around. Often he retreats when he lacks either Surprise *absent here*, Intimidation *can't intimidate droids*, fear *again, droids...* and while this wouldn't phase him against most droids, seeing his rapid lightsaber strikes bouncing off of them *which he would be unlikely to focus on a single point in the beginning* would unsettle him. His Magnaguards having Phrik staves or not, Phrik armor such as the Dark Nova Troopers wear is foreign to him and he would be likely to retreat to think of a way to defeat it. Grievous won't need to retreat to analyze the problem. His analytic mind is really good at this. During the Battle of Coruscant, Grievous was able to analyze Mace's Vaapad technique, devise necessary counters, and replicate the style. Oh, and Grievous' blows were as strong as any Mace had encountered at that point. Make your assumptions here, Beni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 The only reason for that is in making the Home her base of operations, she uncovered Vectivus' ability. I can assure you, a dark side nexus is all that is required. I thought Force Phantoms could not escape the planetary gravity of whatever body they were conjured on, in this case Dromund Kaas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I thought Force Phantoms could not escape the planetary gravity of whatever body they were conjured on, in this case Dromund Kaas? Apparently Lumiya was able to dispatch them across the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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