Kenjigreat Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Mind Crush + Force Breach, Infiltration. Your ravage needs to channel for 2.7 seconds BTW, hardly a gcd. Ravage is 2.3 seconds with Beserk, since you want to go all statsical, also Mindcrush takes 6 seconds for its full effect , infiltration requires a 2 sec cast. Carnage has 0 setup time. Still counts as 1 GCD since the GCD only refreshed once and berserk and gore do not refresh GCD. Edited October 15, 2014 by Kenjigreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Ravage is 2.3 seconds with Beserk, since you want to go all statsical, also Mindcrush takes 6 seconds for its full effect , infiltration requires a 2 sec cast. Carnage has 0 setup time. Wasn't part of the argument. And with 2.4 seconds I can fit in another shadow strike as well. Fyi, that'd quite easily top 20k with potency up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Wasn't part of the argument. And with 2.4 seconds I can fit in another shadow strike as well. Fyi, that'd quite easily top 20k with potency up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQsUMtDCDjM&feature=youtu.be You are wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastelessjoker Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQsUMtDCDjM&feature=youtu.be You are wrong Not sure what the video is supposed to prove. I don't think Exilove is counting the cast time of MC as part of the damage window. The initial tick of MC + Force Breach + Shadow Strike will do over 20k damage (with crits) and takes place over 1.5s, maybe 1.6s with ability delay. However if you are going to Gore+Ravage, then you are going to auto-crit scream at the end of it and it will not take any extra time. Burst from Gore-Ravage-Scream can't be matched and can (with crits) do 30k+/global someone. Also, TK Sage, Pyro PT, Arsenal Merc, and MM sniper can all do 20k damage in 2.4 seconds or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Not sure what the video is supposed to prove. I don't think Exilove is counting the cast time of MC as part of the damage window. The initial tick of MC + Force Breach + Shadow Strike will do over 20k damage (with crits) and takes place over 1.5s, maybe 1.6s with ability delay. However if you are going to Gore+Ravage, then you are going to auto-crit scream at the end of it and it will not take any extra time. Burst from Gore-Ravage-Scream can't be matched and can (with crits) do 30k+/global someone. Also, TK Sage, Pyro PT, Arsenal Merc, and MM sniper can all do 20k damage in 2.4 seconds or less. The only problem is that it's so easy to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Not sure what the video is supposed to prove. I don't think Exilove is counting the cast time of MC as part of the damage window. The initial tick of MC + Force Breach + Shadow Strike will do over 20k damage (with crits) and takes place over 1.5s, maybe 1.6s with ability delay. However if you are going to Gore+Ravage, then you are going to auto-crit scream at the end of it and it will not take any extra time. Burst from Gore-Ravage-Scream can't be matched and can (with crits) do 30k+/global someone. Also, TK Sage, Pyro PT, Arsenal Merc, and MM sniper can all do 20k damage in 2.4 seconds or less. Why would you not count the cast time , She/he said infiltration , you are going to be hardcasting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Why would you not count the cast time , She/he said infiltration , you are going to be hardcasting it. Because the target cant act while I'm casting? I can unleash the power of a crush, breach AND shadow strike all in the length of 1 gcd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Because the target cant act while I'm casting? I can unleash the power of a crush, breach AND shadow strike all in the length of 1 gcd. I don't think I have been hardcasted mindcrush by a infiltration assassin . Whatever works in your mind , everyone knows the timing , its all about getting it off in an actual game , here is the greatest place to trolltheorycraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive_Thing Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't think I have been hardcasted mindcrush by a infiltration assassin . Whatever works in your mind , everyone knows the timing , its all about getting it off in an actual game , here is the greatest place to trolltheorycraft. You haven't? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't think I have been hardcasted mindcrush by a infiltration assassin . Whatever works in your mind , everyone knows the timing , its all about getting it off in an actual game , here is the greatest place to trolltheorycraft. You musn't have met many good assassins then.. I do it all the time. The effective burst is unrivaled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 You haven't? Strange. Yea I don't try to 1v1 Deception Assassins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 You musn't have met many good assassins then.. I do it all the time. The effective burst is unrivaled. I don't try to 1v1 Deception Assassins on my Marauder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrelK Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) I don't think I have been hardcasted mindcrush by a infiltration assassin . Whatever works in your mind , everyone knows the timing , its all about getting it off in an actual game , here is the greatest place to trolltheorycraft. It happens only if the target is Low Slashed or otherwise mezzed, pretty much. Waste of time in any other situation. So for a honest argument, this should also include + 1 gcd for Low Slash. Or just don't assume that the target will be Low Slashed for the duration of the cast, in which case the deception burst is easier to shut down than Carnage one. Edited October 16, 2014 by DarrelK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) I don't try to 1v1 Deception Assassins on my Marauder. Smart move You don't necessarily have to be in a 1v1 though. Just an isolated area for ~3 seconds. Edited October 16, 2014 by Evolixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) I don't think I have been hardcasted mindcrush by a infiltration assassin . Whatever works in your mind , everyone knows the timing , its all about getting it off in an actual game , here is the greatest place to trolltheorycraft. No one has ever done low slash > mind crush to you? That's a pretty common tactic. Edited October 16, 2014 by Raansu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive_Thing Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 No one has ever done low slash > mind crush to you? That's a pretty common tactic. Perhaps he is in the habit of breaking the Low Slash mezz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 No one has ever done low slash > mind crush to you? That's a pretty common tactic. Normally I que solo so if I am stunned I am pretty sure everyone is bursting me and all my team mates are dead. It hard to notice if someone is trying to hardcast mindcrush on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Perhaps he is in the habit of breaking the Low Slash mezz. Fighting at mid most of the time , everyone knows how great teammates are at breaking mezzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive_Thing Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Fighting at mid most of the time , everyone knows how great teammates are at breaking mezzes. Quite universally, your own team will break more of your mezzes than the enemy healers will ever cleanse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Quite universally, your own team will break more of your mezzes than the enemy healers will ever cleanse. Yep , which is why I dont think I have have ever had it gone off on me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krfsm Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 There has to be a way to reduce stuns while keeping ranked in balance. Pvp in this game appears to be dying. War zones pop much less frequently and when they do its usually the same people. The most common complaint I have and that I hear from others is that its a stun fest. So I think keeping things the way they are out of fear of creating imbalance in ranked war zones is a bad idea for the longevity of the game. Some suggestions which would make things better in unranked while leaving ranked mostly untouched: 1. Resolve bar should not decay in the spawn area. If you die with max resolve, you get your seconds of immunity after leaving the spawn area. 2. Being trapped in the spawn area places a buff on you depending on how long you've been in there, giving you a short immunity as well. Resolve bar does not decay while you have the buff. Maybe 1 second of immunity for each 3 seconds in the box. (Doesn't apply to arenas, ofc.) This might affect Voidstar a bit much, though. Additional stuff which would make unranked life better: 3. Let people opt out of arenas in unranked. 4. Never drop a premade vs solos in arenas. 5. Never drop two premades including people from the same guild in the same warzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Additional stuff which would make unranked life better: 3. Let people opt out of arenas in unranked. 4. Never drop a premade vs solos in arenas. 5. Never drop two premades including people from the same guild in the same warzone. Queue sync People would just drop guild tag to troll. Until we have cross servers this stuff cant really be fixed given how small the pvp pop is on every server except probably harbinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krfsm Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Queue sync People would just drop guild tag to troll. Yeah, but they lose conquest points if they do, so it would stop one frequent class of queue syncers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Yeah, but they lose conquest points if they do, so it would stop one frequent class of queue syncers. pvpers tend to not care about conquest and its meaningless score/content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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