Bind to Legacy Unlock for Cartel Market gear

[Kurin]

I know I'm in the relative minority of SWTOR players. I have (literally) 15 level 55 characters. I have almost every single advanced class on both Empire and Republic. Accordingly, gear that is bound to legacy is highly valuable to me, because I can take my full set of armor off my gunslinger and send it to my sniper or my 2nd gunslinger. Literally 3 characters share 1 gear set. And this scenario repeats for my guardian and sith warrior, my operative and my agent, my sorc and my sage. Each mirror pair is sharing the same armor set. They wear the best looking this I can find that makes (somewhat) sense for their class and is bound to legacy.

 

As a result of the way I play, if armor and weapon items are not bound to legacy, it is cost prohibitive to use. I mean, I could legacy over all of my gear, pull the mods out of each item, and then put them into cartel market gear on the destination character, but if we consider the costs for that, it's not something a sane person would do very often. That leads me to my point: For me personally, there isn't a single cartel market armor or weapon that I will use, as a result of how cost prohibitive it is.

 

So here's my request: In collections offer two price options for unlock. 1 price is to unlock the item legacy wide (but its still bind to character) and the other option (this is new) is to unlock the item as bind to legacy (I'll leave it to you if you can then make unlimited copies, or if that's a price for 1 copy).

 

I have over 5000 cartel coins. At this point, I simply cannot see anything meaningful to spend them on (my current thinking is that GSH may find a use for them). But if this feature were added, for me, the possibilities would _endless_.

[emeraldon]

I agree. Not only is most of the Legacy gear butt ugly, but it's very scarce.. There are only what, 3 items that pieces can be used for offhand slots and they are all from Gree? And Gree event is only back every so often... 1 week all summer. Not enough at all for new / returning players to get any rep / tokens unless you have a ton of alts, all at 55 ready to go every day.

 

Also having to purchase pieces that are often very expensive, it's all also very expensive having to extract the gear all the time too to transfer etc..

[Augustus]

I fully support this.

 

Simply, if you unlock an armor for your legacy in your collections, make it BoL quality. It's fair and square to those who made the account unlock for alts.

[HellionFBI]

I would totally love this as well. With 14 55's, many of them "duplicates" that share gear, I hate the legacy gear I'm forced to use. A lot of my toons are modelled after characters in other worlds such as Bleach (manga/anime). And if I could use cartel gear cross-legacy it would be very beneficial to the RP aspect

[oofalong]

I have wanted this feature for a long time as well. I am not sure how easy it would be to code though. Also, it does eliminate a very important credit sink in the game so I am not sure how receptive BioWare will be. In any event, this would be a great addition in my opinion.

[Bstr]

I dislike this P2W suggestion.

 

Currently, the only way of getting valuable Legacy gear is through reputation. The reputation used for these gears are earned by only in-game options. If you added this, you would be able to pay BioWare for Legacy gear, which as the OP states, is some of the most useful gear for gearing alts, since you can transfer endgame mods to them and skip the gearing up process.

[RDX-TWO]

Actually BW needs to implement an appearance tab of some sort I have tons of gear, actually I have complete CM gear set that I refuse to use due to the cost of replacing mods etc, By making appearance tab your BoL gear appearance doesn't matter you have the appearance tab that hide away the ugly BoL gear. Edited June 23, 2014 by RDX-TWO

[crubel]

I think there are two alternative suggestions, neither of which are my original ideas as you can do a search and find others have posted both ideas before.

 

In response to Bstr, an option could be in place to allow players to acquire via in-game means (non-cartel market) an item to make any item bind to legacy. This would accomplish what the OP wants, yet not make it P2W if everyone can get it and use it on anything. I'm not sure that this is a good idea, but hey it is an idea.

 

A second option is basically what RDX-TWO said and have them implement an appearance tab/wardrobe feature of some sort, so you have gear equipped for stats, and gear equipped for cosmetics.

[Kurin]

I dislike this P2W suggestion.

 

Currently, the only way of getting valuable Legacy gear is through reputation. The reputation used for these gears are earned by only in-game options. If you added this, you would be able to pay BioWare for Legacy gear, which as the OP states, is some of the most useful gear for gearing alts, since you can transfer endgame mods to them and skip the gearing up process.

 

This is far from P2W. I get 4 complete legacy sets emailed to me every single time I roll a new toon. That means, just for my level 55 characters, I already have 60 complete sets of legacy armor that cost me absolutely nothing. If for some reason I wanted 4 more, I can roll an alt, email the armor sets, and then delete the alt...at zero cost. No rep grind. No credits. No cartel coins. Absolutely nothing. For the players that this feature would get used by, this feature simply gives us more variety of what armor shells we'd have access to. We already have a tremendous number. In fact, the casino event just gave us yet another set (also with no rep grind, only a credit sink).

[Kurin]

Actually BW needs to implement an appearance tab of some sort I have tons of gear, actually I have complete CM gear set that I refuse to use due to the cost of replacing mods etc, By making appearance tab your BoL gear appearance doesn't matter you have the appearance tab that hide away the ugly BoL gear.

 

The only "problem" with an appearance tab feature, is that it completely bypasses all credit sinks related to armor in the game. You would NEVER need to re-augment or rip mods out of shells again, to change your appearance. I think having the credit sinks are fine, and I'm willing to pay the cost each time I choose to change my appearance. I'm not willing to pay the cost several times a week to mail my gear to an alt, however...which is why I exclusively use legacy gear.

[theSCARAYone]

Agree but disagree, IMO all cosmetic gear should be adaptable and BTL.

[StrikePrice]

Would love this, but I doubt they will do it because it would take away the largest gold sink in the game (augmenting gear).

[Skios]

There are other gold sinks now though. The Guild Ships, Strongholds, and Nar Shadaa event all serve that purpose. Additionally, something like this would probably increase spending on cartel gear through the GTN, as well as the unlock itself.

[Kurin]

Would love this, but I doubt they will do it because it would take away the largest gold sink in the game (augmenting gear).

 

This is where I would disagree. First, you still need to augment legacy gear. Second, if more attractive shells become bind to legacy, in future cartel packs, players like myself finally have a reason, or a temptation to change the look of our gear. As is, there are so few bind to legacy choices, there's nothing tempting me to change my gear, which means I'm not spending credits to re-augment, and rip mods out of one set of legacy gear and put it into a new (better looking) set.

 

FYI, at the cantina event in Phoenix, I recommended this feature to a couple of the BW employees that were present. Honestly, it appeared to me that NONE of them understood how an end game (elder) player is using legacy gear today...similar to how ignorant responses like this are. They pointed out things like: "you can unlock CM gear via collections". Ummmmm...duh. I know that. My question back, is why would nearly ANYONE ever do that? (beyond a color crystal or speeder).

[caronome]

I dislike this P2W suggestion.

 

Currently, the only way of getting valuable Legacy gear is through reputation. The reputation used for these gears are earned by only in-game options. If you added this, you would be able to pay BioWare for Legacy gear, which as the OP states, is some of the most useful gear for gearing alts, since you can transfer endgame mods to them and skip the gearing up process.

 

This is out of date. Every new character I create gets two full sets of B2L gear in the mail.

Create character, run to mailbox, mail to mains, delete character. Repeat. Unlimited free B2L gear is in the game

[caronome]

I support this suggestion.

 

There is already free b2L gear in the game so this would not increase the supply of B2L. Nor would this suggestion change the gold sinks. I do not spend any gold now; I just mail b2l gear back and forth without removing any mods after creation.

 

the current situation just means that i won't buy any cartel market armor.

 

If I could spend CC to turn existing orange gear into B2L (or if you prefer convert an orange gear, a b2l gear and CC into a single B2L that looks like the orange) then I would look better, BW gets the CC on this transaction and more future CC for new armor that i don't currently consider.

[undiess]

There is a 9 page long thread here:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=731747

 

This thread outlines utilizing an Appearance tab to allow players to stylize themselves however they'd like without effecting their gear. It has no replies from Bioware despite a decent amount of activity.

 

I am one that currently sacrifices looks for functionality in that I use legacy gear to "share" my gear with multiple characters. This avoids the ridiculous credit sink of buying augments, augmenting, then removing and adding mods over and over. So, to those saying that these ideas would avoid a credit sink, people are already avoiding it by using less desirable looking legacy gear provided freely by Bioware or by grinding reputation (which is not hard at all to do).

 

This isn't introducing anything that can't already be done, it is merely giving people more choice on how they'd like to look as well as more reason to buy from the cartel market.

Edited June 25, 2014 by undiess

[Xakthul]

I dislike this P2W suggestion.

 

Currently, the only way of getting valuable Legacy gear is through reputation. The reputation used for these gears are earned by only in-game options. If you added this, you would be able to pay BioWare for Legacy gear, which as the OP states, is some of the most useful gear for gearing alts, since you can transfer endgame mods to them and skip the gearing up process.

 

NOT P2W... OP is simply stating that each copy of a CM item should bind to Legacy, rather than character. I agree. Even if you don't buy the items on account, you should be able to pass an item you (maybe accidentally ?) equipped or modded at a lower level to one of your alts. It's all blank, anyway, Legacy, CM, etc.

 

So I say we should

[Ratajack]

There is a 9 page long thread here:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=731747

 

This thread outlines utilizing an Appearance tab to allow players to stylize themselves however they'd like without effecting their gear. It has no replies from Bioware despite a decent amount of activity.

 

I am one that currently sacrifices looks for functionality in that I use legacy gear to "share" my gear with multiple characters. This avoids the ridiculous credit sink of buying augments, augmenting, then removing and adding mods over and over. So, to those saying that these ideas would avoid a credit sink, people are already avoiding it by using less desirable looking legacy gear provided freely by Bioware or by grinding reputation (which is not hard at all to do).

 

This isn't introducing anything that can't already be done, it is merely giving people more choice on how they'd like to look as well as more reason to buy from the cartel market.

 

You are correct that you can bypass the credit sink by "sharing" one set of legacy gear. The price you pay for bypassing that credit sink is fewer choices in how you look.

 

It seems that BW has set it up so that you can either have more choice in how you look or you can avoid the credit sink, but not both.

 

I'm not trying to be overly rude, but I, personally, see nothing wrong with this. Seldom can one have their cake and eat it, too.

[Ratajack]

NOT P2W... OP is simply stating that each copy of a CM item should bind to Legacy, rather than character. I agree. Even if you don't buy the items on account, you should be able to pass an item you (maybe accidentally ?) equipped or modded at a lower level to one of your alts. It's all blank, anyway, Legacy, CM, etc.

 

So I say we should

 

I think if they were going to offer an option to make the CM sets BOL, they should require that the set, or item, be unlocked in the collections first.

 

To allow unlimited BOL sets to be created without unlocking the set, or item, in collections negates the purpose of the collections, IMO. Why pay to unlock it when I can just create an infinite number of BOL copies and send those copies to my alts?

 

To tweak the OP's suggestion, offer 2 unlock tiers. One price to unlock the set, or item, in collections that would allow the creation of BOP copies, and a second more expensive unlock price that would allow the creation of BOL copies.

[emeraldon]

I think if they were going to offer an option to make the CM sets BOL, they should require that the set, or item, be unlocked in the collections first.

 

To allow unlimited BOL sets to be created without unlocking the set, or item, in collections negates the purpose of the collections, IMO. Why pay to unlock it when I can just create an infinite number of BOL copies and send those copies to my alts?

 

To tweak the OP's suggestion, offer 2 unlock tiers. One price to unlock the set, or item, in collections that would allow the creation of BOP copies, and a second more expensive unlock price that would allow the creation of BOL copies.

 

This sounds fair tbh. Having to unlock it first is completely OK in my book. I just want to be able to look the way I want with the CM sets I bought, without having to rip out all mods on every single character all the time.

[undiess]

I'm not trying to be overly rude, but I, personally, see nothing wrong with this. Seldom can one have their cake and eat it, too.

I'm wondering just how many people said this very thing before they allowed the ability to swap modifications around.

[Ratajack]

I'm wondering just how many people said this very thing before they allowed the ability to swap modifications around.

 

the ability to swap mods around did not allow players to bypass a credit sink. In fact, it added a reason for players to pay that credit sink.

[Xakthul]

To allow unlimited BOL sets to be created without unlocking the set, or item, in collections negates the purpose of the collections, IMO. Why pay to unlock it when I can just create an infinite number of BOL copies and send those copies to my alts?

 

To tweak the OP's suggestion, offer 2 unlock tiers. One price to unlock the set, or item, in collections that would allow the creation of BOP copies, and a second more expensive unlock price that would allow the creation of BOL copies.

 

Let me amend my statement: The ORIGINAL COPY should be B2L. All copies from collections should still be B2Char. However, I like your explanation of a similar idea better than I like mine.

[undiess]

the ability to swap mods around did not allow players to bypass a credit sink. In fact, it added a reason for players to pay that credit sink.

 

Funny that people keep bringing up being against this because you are 'bypassing a credit sink'. I'm sorry, we're already bypassing it, theres nothing new here.