Deewe Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Well, ladies and gentlemen, I might be wrong still from my experience you loose if when you click on the slot machine the arrow pointer in the middle is off the external rotating ring. So the game needs actual skills as you have an impact on the outcome. Edited June 13, 2014 by Deewe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docmal Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I might be wrong still from my experience you loose if when you click on the slot machine the arrow pointer in the middle is off the external rotating ring. Then if the pointer is on any part of the ring but the center you win the same token you bet. Now if you are able to align both pointers centers you hit the jackpot. So the game needs actual skills as you have an impact on the outcome. You must have a pretty low opinion of the bioware design team if you think that they would make a slot machine that isnt as random as can be. Then again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 You must have a pretty low opinion of the bioware design team if you think that they would make a slot machine that isnt as random as can be. Then again... Doesn't hurt to take into consideration what he said and plan accordingly so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeJarC Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Well, ladies and gentlemen, I might be wrong still from my experience you loose if when you click on the slot machine the arrow pointer in the middle is off the external rotating ring. Then if the pointer is on any part of the ring but the center you win the same token you bet. Now if you are able to align both pointers centers you hit the jackpot. So the game needs actual skills as you have an impact on the outcome. You're not wrong the only problem is that when you click, the outer ring accelerates slightly in a random pattern. So it's almost impossible to time it so the points lineup, but even when they do, it still random what you get.. The only sure thing is that if the center ring point does not line up with the bright part of the outer ring, it's a loss Edited June 12, 2014 by LeJarC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duskrequim Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Its not hard... it just takes practice.. remember the get lucky buff ... it seems to slow down spinner... just a little. I also recommend 1st person... when playing.. it makes it so much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I will give it a try, when I eventually decide to play there, but with the current bugs regarding travel I just not willing to play until the next patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Criosdh Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Ummmmm which slot machines are you playing? Because I haven't come across one that reacts to a 2nd click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'd like to see some proof of this, until then I'll just write it up as supersticious behaviour. Like those who say that after you win big on a slot machine you should move to another because slot machines "lock down" after a big win and won't give another for a while... Which is BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'd like to see some proof of this, until then I'll just write it up as supersticious behaviour. Like those who say that after you win big on a slot machine you should move to another because slot machines "lock down" after a big win and won't give another for a while... Which is BS. Exactly. Random is random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototypemind Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I've clicked with both dead center, and had it finish when I win with both dead center, and neither produced a jackpot. The arrow pointing to any part of the edge wins, and what you win is determined by RNG, not where it finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama-Eight Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Like those who say that after you win big on a slot machine you should move to another because slot machines "lock down" after a big win and won't give another for a while... Which is BS. Yup, I got both of the mounts from the same machine within ~15-20 mins or so (& only spent ~30-40k on the smuggler tokens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The graphical spin is just a representation of your RNG outcome... it doesn't determine it. For example, get the feeling lucky buff and go to a kingpin machine. Keep your eyes on the buff icon near your portrait. The second you click the machine it dissapears if you are going to get a jackpot or gold. It doesn't wait for the spinning thing to stop (or even start). It just goes away immediately as you click. That means that your outcome is decided the millisecond you click the machine... not later by the spinning animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Maybe it is just a gambling mentality thing, that people want to believe that there is a system they can exploit even in total randomness. I think I remember vaguely a study in which people who had the option to push a button while watching random numbers had the feeling of influencing those even though there was no connection... Anyway, still have not been to Nar Shaddaa to play there at the slot machines, maybe I am just not interested enough in gambling in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonetruebleed Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 This Casino thing is giving me some serious butthurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) These threads remind me of the Skinner Pigeons experiment. Skinner suggested that the pigeons behaved as if they were influencing the automatic mechanism with their "rituals" and that this experiment shed light on human behavior: The experiment might be said to demonstrate a sort of superstition. The bird behaves as if there were a causal relation between its behavior and the presentation of food, although such a relation is lacking. There are many analogies in human behavior. Rituals for changing one's fortune at cards are good examples. A few accidental connections between a ritual and favorable consequences suffice to set up and maintain the behavior in spite of many unreinforced instances. The bowler who has released a ball down the alley but continues to behave as if she were controlling it by twisting and turning her arm and shoulder is another case in point. These behaviors have, of course, no real effect upon one's luck or upon a ball half way down an alley, just as in the present case the food would appear as often if the pigeon did nothing—or, more strictly speaking, did something else. Edited June 12, 2014 by znihilist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The graphical spin is just a representation of your RNG outcome... it doesn't determine it. For example, get the feeling lucky buff and go to a kingpin machine. Keep your eyes on the buff icon near your portrait. The second you click the machine it dissapears if you are going to get a jackpot or gold. It doesn't wait for the spinning thing to stop (or even start). It just goes away immediately as you click. That means that your outcome is decided the millisecond you click the machine... not later by the spinning animation. This. The visual representation of the outcome is driven by the RNG result, not the other way around. If you could control the outcome there would be scripters running around with 80 rancors by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kantaso Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Well OP if this is a bug and you are exploiting it you may get in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 We all can see how the graphics work when your character gets a "win" or a "loss." But anyone who thinks they can time or game the slot machines will be interested in this beachfront property on Tatooine I have for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uber_the_Goober Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The graphical spin is just a representation of your RNG outcome... it doesn't determine it. For example, get the feeling lucky buff and go to a kingpin machine. Keep your eyes on the buff icon near your portrait. The second you click the machine it dissapears if you are going to get a jackpot or gold. It doesn't wait for the spinning thing to stop (or even start). It just goes away immediately as you click. That means that your outcome is decided the millisecond you click the machine... not later by the spinning animation. Then it's client side? And manipulable? I smell a cheat incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Then it's client side? And manipulable? I smell a cheat incoming. No, it's likely not... but the time delay from pressing your button to the game registering it on the servers is the same as if you pressed an attack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 AS mentioned in the other thread regarding this 'mechanic" devs have two paths 1) extremely difficult skill based solution where you time the ring with the other open to exploitation and invalidates the "%drops rate" they expect 2) implement a simple RNG based algorithm that compares a floating point value (0.0 to 10) multiply by 10,000 to normalize it to a .01% range and than compare against a set range of value (<5000, 5001 to 8000, etc). to define a %chance. Then have the other team develop a simple rotating ring to "emulate" the RNG value and give some sort of graphical representation to a "win". This is impossible to exploit (based on server side RNG algorithm) simple, straightforward and more importantly cheap. The former offers very difficult to predict and give an expected range and would be subject to "nerfs/buffs" as the metrics change latter is very easy to predict and calculate and requires no changes in the future since the % are easily predictable and maintainable. which do you think they did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadOrb Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Well I do know ( tested a few times last night and got it 3 times in a row today , more testing needed but it looks promising ) that after getting the feeling lucky buff and then going on a kingpin machine , if you don't run out of kingpin tokens or the buff runs out or lose then when the buff runs out you will get a golden certificate on that final go. So yeah not so random that part it seems. I shall test it more. Cheers, BadOrb. Edited June 12, 2014 by BadOrb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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