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[LordArtemis]

Well, not everyone participating in this poll is interested in class stories as one of their top 5, otherwise the poll would have class stories at 100 percent. At least 4 out of 10 folks did not choose it as one of their top 5 items.

 

But that still leaves a majority that did.

[Callaron]

That sounds like quite the ballad! Perhaps we should wait until he returns from his epic adventures?

 

Definitely one the bards shall sing of for ages.

 

Well, not everyone participating in this poll is interested in class stories as one of their top 5, otherwise the poll would have class stories at 100 percent. At least 4 out of 10 folks did not choose it as one of their top 5 items.

 

But that still leaves a majority that did.

 

Yep, nor is it going to be number one for everyone that included it into their top five.

It just says that at least a lot of people would be "happy" with it, even if not "ecstatic".

[Lord_Ravenhurst]

He's under the impression that if he comes here and shouts at the poll often enough it'll magically change the results to something he wants, or at the very least invalidate it.

He was somewhat right about the "end of rine" comment though. My ignore list has made a new friend.

 

haha seriously, who cares, there were tons of polls, suggestions and drama threads about what people want since 2011, if you think this little fun poll changes anything in BW plans or available budget you just don't have a clue how things are running in game development. BW does what BW does (or EA and Disney want), and they look at metrics what type of content pays off. Class stories didn't pay off. Exhibit A: subscriber loss, F2P, server merges, giving class stories away for free to everyone.

 

Neither you nor me will "magically" change anything, it doesn't matter if you are pro class stories or against class stories. Effect = zero

[Lord_Ravenhurst]

And there you have it BioWare...class stories number one.

 

number one in a non prioritized multiple choice poll

 

...for subscribers only

 

yeah, that's useful

 

 

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

What does that word mean, in context? Because I get: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rine, which kind of implies that Ravenhurst said "end of touch" End of touching? Touching... on the subject? He's going to stop posting?

 

Or, apparently, it could mean "end of ditch" - Lord Ravenhurst has been stuck in a rut for quite some time, and has just managed to pull himself free? Well done, good sir! *claps*

 

I see you never had the pleasure to meet grorious moderatu Stanry Roo

 

good old days..

 

 

end of rine

--------rine ends here

Edited November 9, 2013 by Lord_Ravenhurst

[Rafaman]

if I would care

 

anyway the poll is flawed and useless and I stated the factual reasons, even if it would not be flawed, the results wouldn't change the fact that class stories are over (BW statement) and there are tons of more pressing things than adding this sort of more-of -the-same stuff. Especially since subs went down the gutter, 8 class stories is too much too handle and has zero longterm value.

Makeb had 2 class stories, get used to that pattern or seek out an MMO with more story then. I highly doubt that anything like another Makeb sized planet is even planned right now, because that work started before F2P.

 

Dude, come on. We know your affinity for SWG. We have seen your other posts asking for appeasement by updating the engine. Lol!

 

If these results were showed that sandbox elements should be a priority, this poll would no longer be flawed. The results would suddenly be a leading indicator on what needs to be changed or updated.

 

But, you are entitled to your opinion and your wants and desires for this game, but don't be blinded by your own bias. This poll is simply a data point. And what it does show us, quite simply, is that many other people have different priorities than you. The corner stone in building an argument for what you want doesn't lie here.

 

It seems you are giving too much credence to a poll that you consider irrelevant.

[LordArtemis]

Are you campaigning or expressing your opinion Ravenhurst? Because you seem to be working pretty hard to invalidate many opinions that are pro class story for some reason.

 

What do you feel you will accomplish by doing this?

[errant_knight]

Holy crap, folks, relax a little. It's just a casual opinion poll about a game and not worth all the acrimony. Even a random sampling poll has an error margin of 3 to 5 %. I'm sure they'll look at it and take it into account but not make any decisions based solely on it. For one thing, in a relative sense, these numbers are pretty close together. If I looked at it, I'd figure that pvp was as important as class stories to gamers, more or less. It's interesting, it gives a general idea but that's about it, so how about all the panties get unbunched?

[JSitruc]

I agree with you entirely! General Discussion and this forums can certainly be a great representation of the playerbase at large, and its opinions. I don't want you to get the idea that I was saying otherwise. My reasoning is specifically tied to polls. Again, not that polls are bad, just that in many cases players can misunderstand poll results as "undeniable proof" of a point. It is when you can put a tangible number behind an opinion that things get a bit tricky and that is where the "in a vacuum" comment comes in. (like the Warzone type example I made)

 

-eric

 

The way it sounds to me is that you will not create or take into consideration any polls that do not directly come from the ideas of the game creators.

 

A while ago class representatives were introduced to help, or just change, the way some classes are currently set up. Now, in essence, the views and opinions of what should be changed came from the "vacuum" in which you refer to as these forums (via polling, even though it was not in a poll format). Am I wrong?

 

I am not disagreeing that polls are not good when you only poll the population of a population of a much larger population. That may sound confusing, what I am basically saying is the sample population of the swtor forums, which does not also include the many users from swtor who do not visit the swtor forums.

 

So how would you get realistic poll result? Well since the swtor forums user account are also linked to the swtor game's user accounts, right? Why not release a poll through a pop up in game as well as on the main page of this forum?

[Lord_Ravenhurst]

Are you campaigning or expressing your opinion Ravenhurst? Because you seem to be working pretty hard to invalidate many opinions that are pro class story for some reason.

What do you feel you will accomplish by doing this?

 

absolutely nothing? No wait.. yes I am scared BW will make an emergency meeting tomorrow discussing this important and totally not flawed, non prioritized multiple choice subscriber-only poll, then cancel all their plans for the next 24-36 months and immediately start working on 8 new class stories until 2018, instead of adding actual, you know, features 'n stuff... for MMOs

Edited November 9, 2013 by Lord_Ravenhurst

[Adwynyth]

I agree with you entirely! General Discussion and this forums can certainly be a great representation of the playerbase at large, and its opinions. I don't want you to get the idea that I was saying otherwise. My reasoning is specifically tied to polls. Again, not that polls are bad, just that in many cases players can misunderstand poll results as "undeniable proof" of a point. It is when you can put a tangible number behind an opinion that things get a bit tricky and that is where the "in a vacuum" comment comes in. (like the Warzone type example I made)

 

-eric

Awright Eric,

 

Here's a challenge for you: implement in-game polling.

 

I have some ideas that would make it successful and give you a representative and likely large sample to go from.

 

• Conspicuous notification, similar to when you have mail from customer support.
  
• One vote per account, NOT once per character. It's accounts, i.e. people, that matter. Not characters/avatars/toons.
  
• Let us guide the poll subjects and wording. Getting poll after poll engineered to get the answer you want isn't helpful. We all have too much experience with "guided" polling.
  
• Leave the polls up for a good length of time. A weeklong poll is useless for capturing the attitudes of the more casual spectrum of players, and anything more than a month would seem like an eternity for hardcores. A monthly poll "feels" right.
  

I believe this will solve a number of problems:

• It's done IN THE GAME, so nobody can claim "well, it doesn't represent the players". Of course it would. Apathetic players wouldn't vote. Ones who care would.
  
• It's a form of polling, which is currently (and inexplicably) not allowed on the forums. It's a way to count votes. It's a way to judge relative support for many options, as well as judging whether something would "play" well with the playerbase. You NEED this, trust me. I don't pretend it should be the only input, but you need hard numbers on some of these ideas and opinions that get floated, and this is a way to collect them.
  
• It's a way for you to judge the priorities of subscribers vs. free-to-play players. I don't pretend there's some magical unicorn farts contained in the votes of subbers, but you know you need to know this at times, and can't really reliably collect this data now.
  
• It's a way for us to speak that won't feel like shouting into a dark room. Have a monthly blog post to discuss the poll after voting has closed. Tell us what you think about what we think.
  
• It's a way to guide the game. And believe me, you need us to guide the game. Look at the unpopular decisions lately: no more class stories (which is #1 in this poll, incidentally), no PvE in starfighter, and no separate queue for arenas. Each time, to be honest, you've appeared mystified with our angst. This would allow you to get our opinion BEFORE these decisions are made, and ask us WHY we don't like the idea. Get a perspective from the people who will have to deal with the results of your decision process before it's cast in stone.
  

 

Please think about this, Eric, and take it to the whole team. And more importantly, do it. Please.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Adwynyth

[LordArtemis]

absolutely nothing? No wait.. yes I am scared BW will make an emergency meeting tomorrow discussing this important and totally not flawed, non prioritized multiple choice subscriber-only poll, then cancel all their plans for the next 24-36 months and immediately start working on 8 new class stories until 2018, instead of adding actual, you know, features 'n stuff... for MMOs

 

Ah. Sarcasm. Got it. I do realize you at least "think" your being witty here.

 

Be careful. That soapbox has a few loose planks.......

Edited November 9, 2013 by LordArtemis

[LordArtemis]

Look at the unpopular decisions lately: no more class stories (which is #1 in this poll, incidentally), no PvE in starfighter, and no separate queue for arenas.

 

I agree, all three were received rather poorly by the game community IMO.

[CelestialCow]

I'm just going to say it now I think the number one thing they need to work on is account friend lists. Should be simple and quick and it's really needed.

[GalacticKegger]

Are you campaigning or expressing your opinion Ravenhurst? Because you seem to be working pretty hard to invalidate many opinions that are pro class story for some reason.

 

What do you feel you will accomplish by doing this?

Are you kidding? Invalidating game supporter opinion is his stock in trade. In every thread. Since he's been here. His VERY FIRST post upon resubbing a few weeks ago was to immediately create his very own thread warning Bioware that he'd unsub again if the game didn't meet his expectations. Probably didn't even login and play before issuing that threat.

 

If post histories (both personal and friend's) are any indication, he didn't resub to play the game. He resubbed because Bioware was no longer going to allow non-paying riff raff to carpet bomb their forums - leaving him no choice but to resub. In SEALspeak ... that's an insurgent mole.

 

Might I suggest invoking the ignore function? You would be amazed at how much of this thread's "discussion" disappears into pages upon pages of one-line This message is hidden because <Avatar_Name> is on your ignore list entries. It's a much better read without all the chaff too imho.

Edited November 9, 2013 by GalacticKegger

[Andryah]

Awright Eric,

 

Here's a challenge for you: implement in-game polling.

 

I have some ideas that would make it successful and give you a representative and likely large sample to go from.

 

Much as I would enjoy the feature.. um... NO. Why? It adds nothing to game play directly, yet it puts additional load on the servers. No thanks. The servers struggle when they are above HEAVY load as it is. We have 2.5 coming and while the servers have been doing better in recent months (due to lower overall high end loading)... it's going to be a gank fest once 2.5 goes live. I'm not looking forward to The Harbinger passing out every night again at prime time because it's running near FULL capacity.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Andryah

[Lord_Ravenhurst]

Are you kidding? Invalidating game supporter opinion is his stock in trade.

only because it's as easy as taking a lollipop from a toddler.

 

He didn't resub to play the game. He resubbed because Bioware was no longer going to allow non-paying riff raff to carpet bomb their forums - leaving him no choice but to resub. In SEALspeak ... that's an insurgent mole.

It was never possible to post without gametime. And I got gametime to check out GS (and leaving ruthless bare-knuckle feedback afterwards, in case it's not up to other SW games standards of the past. I remain optimistic with medium expectations

 

Might I recommend putting him on ignore? You would be amazed at how much of this thread's "discussion" disappears into pages upon pages of one-line This message is hidden because <Avatar_Name> is on your ignore list entries.

 

awww, how rude. Also against the TOS, old sport.

[Rafaman]

1836 votes. Well, if nothing else, this tells us how many people at the very least are interested in the topic and have visited the boards. I wonder how many more votes will be cast...

[Callaron]

1836 votes. Well, if nothing else, this tells us how many people at the very least are interested in the topic and have visited the boards. I wonder how many more votes will be cast...

 

I think we might hit 2000, but probably not all that much more - unless a huge amount of players suddenly crawl out of the woodworks.

[LordArtemis]

Are you kidding? Invalidating game supporter opinion is his stock in trade. In every thread. Since he's been here. His VERY FIRST post upon resubbing a few weeks ago was to immediately create his very own thread warning Bioware that he'd unsub again if the game didn't meet his expectations. Probably didn't even login and play before issuing that threat.

 

If post histories (both personal and friend's) are any indication, he didn't resub to play the game. He resubbed because Bioware was no longer going to allow non-paying riff raff to carpet bomb their forums - leaving him no choice but to resub. In SEALspeak ... that's an insurgent mole.

 

Might I suggest invoking the ignore function? You would be amazed at how much of this thread's "discussion" disappears into pages upon pages of one-line This message is hidden because <Avatar_Name> is on your ignore list entries. It's a much better read without all the chaff too imho.

 

Well, I don't like to put anyone on ignore. Though he and I will likely rarely if ever agree, I still wish to see his opinions and give them the proper consideration. He is an SWG fan, so for me he has that going for him.

 

There are two forum members that I consider actual direct counters to me, and even their toxic posting style has not convinced me to put them on ignore. I hold on to hope they will change.

[VanguVegro]

It was hard to pick just 5 from this list, but here's what I chose:

 

Class Stories

Companions

Character Customization Options

Legacy

Playable Races

 

Planets, Crew Skills and Crafting and Mini Games almost but not quite made the cut. So there you have it.

[Callaron]

It was hard to pick just 5 from this list, but here's what I chose:

 

Class Stories

Companions

Character Customization Options

Legacy

Playable Races

 

Planets, Crew Skills and Crafting and Mini Games almost but not quite made the cut. So there you have it.

 

I think you got the exact same selection that I voted.

With the possible exception of Legacy, I might have picked Planets or Operations there - but I'm not sure, there were a lot of contenders for that 5th spot since I wouldn't mind seeing any of that stuff on the list making it into game eventually.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Callaron

[nicosand]

Well, to try and get back to the OP. Having played the game since EGA, but with some short breaks due to IRL stuff. I now find this game at an all time low, I now usually only log on to join my raiding mates in raids. This has mostly to do with the fact there is little else for me to do, Im sick to death of lvling even tho i have 2 toons that are lvl 53 and would take very little time to get to 55, but I have no interesst in playing them since all I in raids are tanking anyway And I've also reached Legend with the factions I could be botherd about getting there, so now i dont have a reason to ever do dailys on Oricon and CZ-198 ever again, or do the gree even ever again, unless some new stuff is added to that. the makeb, belsa, voss and the space stuff I really cba with doing...

 

So for me, the things on the top of my wishlist, in no particular order, for this game would be:

Mini games: And making the casino on Nar Shadda actually function like a casino. This thing I can not for the life of me understand why BW hasen't captialized on right from the getgo. If you were afraid it could ruin the economy, the easy way to counter that would be to limit how high the bets could go. But the casino holds endless posibilities.

 

Planets: Adding more planets at the lower lvl's too to give players more choices on where they want to go lvl, I my self have 9 or 10 toons now, but only 4 are lvl50 or more because I simply dont want to do the same planets any more.

 

Better UI: Im not sure how word this properly. But in short, I would LOVE it, if there was a way I could see how much aggro on bosses. Altho most experienced tanks know all boss fights in the current ops, and can easily read the signs, this would be a good addition. It would also help the dps to know when to cut back on dps and when to go full out. Having support for addons such as MOX/TORparse would be sweet too, having these addons as part of ut UI would be awesome

 

And the last bit, I can not put into words how much I really want BW to fix the graphic bug where robes cut thru speeders. This part really ruins the quality for me atleast. Pulling out a cool speeder only to see the gosh darn robe cutting thru it to make it look like the speeder is on a pedistal.

[Dozoku]

For god sake BIO WARE!!!!!

 

Add yoda species in game to choose from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i will pay 300 or more, I WANT TO BE YODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Elboc]

Two things I see from this -

 

1. I am surprised that class story is #1. I mean I thought it was good and I would enjoy more, but for the time and effort it takes to put in individual class stories I personally would rather get other things. So its interesting, regardless

 

2. PvP is in second place. I am a huge fan of PvP but I didnt realize it made up so much of the population. Its good to see that so many are interested in more PvP content and I really hope we see more - especially around world PvP.

[Jandi]

Two things I see from this -

 

1. I am surprised that class story is #1. I mean I thought it was good and I would enjoy more, but for the time and effort it takes to put in individual class stories I personally would rather get other things. So its interesting, regardless

 

Most likely because that combined with the IP was the number 1 selling point of the game that they hyped for years and years. If it's too much effort for such small amount of content, they should have realized this VERY early in development and scrap the idea entirely and just focus on planetary arcs instead. Instead, they have now alienated and disappointed a huge chunk of their players.

 

At launch, the leveling and story was the only thing that actually WORKED in the entire game, rest was unfinished, rushed or just plain broken.

 

They tried to do too many things and failed at almost all of them. And now, all they do is add CC junk in an effort to drain what money they can from those that are left. This Starfighter expansion is a joke, sorry. Not one person needs a pvp mini-game that will get old in 2 weeks and I would gladly bet that everything that doesn't directly affect the performance of your ship WILL be a CC item. EVERYTHING.