MisterBlackJack Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Provide me a link please. Otherwise you're full of it. Here you go http://news.softpedia.com/news/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Has-500-000-Subscribers-Sees-Revenue-Increase-351533.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 STANDARD = a minimum of 4000 players, but is actually somewhere between 4000 and 6000. When were we ever told this? Where did this come from? Link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Here you go http://news.softpedia.com/news/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Has-500-000-Subscribers-Sees-Revenue-Increase-351533.shtml That's from May dude...and it was UNDER 500k. Anything slightly more recent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 When were we ever told this? Where did this come from? Link please? This is exactly my question. Where does she get these insider figures from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 How does Andryah have access to Bioware's numbers? How does she know what their server capacity is? The only thing I know is Jeff Hickman said the server capacity of these servers is 3-4 times greater than the old ones. So if someone knows what the old server capacity is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Don't know about all servers, but there is almost always 4 full instances of the fleet on the Harbinger and 2-4 instances for every other planet. Also, there are 17 servers. There's 8 N.A. servers. My numbers were only referring to those. Ebon Hawk... - is lucky to have 2 full fleets, usually 1 + a couple dozen on another instance... maybe 200 people total. - While it's possible to see 100 people on D.K. or Coruscant, 200 is rare. Less than 50 is very common on any planet past level 25ish. Level 35+ planets might have a couple dozen, if you are lucky. Begeron Colony... - usually about 75% of EH's totals. I don't know about other servers and I do know that the RP servers will generally have less than others, but they do make up 25% of the total number of N.A. servers. I crunched the numbers based off of GalacticKegger's wildly optimistic (IMO) claimed player numbers and it totaled roughly 80-100k players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBlackJack Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) That's from May dude...and it was UNDER 500k. Anything slightly more recent? I said around I didn't say over read my post again. Do you have anything to argue against? Edit: Also Do you really believe that numbers from a time when nothing was really going on in TOR's numbers would dip after the release of 2 new Operations, Arenas and the announcement of a new Free Flight PvP expansion? Com'on Man. You can do better than that. Edited October 29, 2013 by MisterBlackJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This is exactly my question. Where does she get these insider figures from? She makes them up. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximilianPower Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) When were we ever told this? Where did this come from? Link please? Would like to know this too. While we're at it, what numbers do the other server activity descriptions represent? That is: light, heavy, very heavy. Edited October 29, 2013 by MaximilianPower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) The only thing I know is Jeff Hickman said the server capacity of these servers is 3-4 times greater than the old ones. So if someone knows what the old server capacity is.... Correct. He made that statement and players using empirical checking last year confirmed this.. actually put it at between 3x and 5x.. so slightly higher by player empirical checks.. but then again.. these servers choke when full... so Hickmans number is probably a better put on capacity. And as I stated earlier, and have stated multiple other times on this kind of discussion.. the old servers ran STANDARD at ~1500 players. Edited October 29, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 There's 8 N.A. servers. My numbers were only referring to those. Why not include EU players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 She makes them up. Duh. No my friend. They are actually based on a body of work done by others (not even me) last year in the forum. Making up numbers is your approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Correct. He made that statement and players using empirical checking last year confirmed this.. actually put it at between 3x and 5x.. so slightly higher by player empirical checks.. but then again.. these servers choke when full... so Hickmans number is probably a better put on capacity. And as I stated earlier, and have stated multiple other times on this kind of discussion.. the old servers rand STANDARD at ~1500 players. So...you have no idea actually? Your numbers are just as made-up as anyone elses? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Would like to know this too. While we're at it, what numbers do the other server activity descriptions represent? That is: light, heavy, very heavy. With the current servers, and applying prior scaling data from the old servers: LIGHT: 0-4000 STANDARD: 4000-6000 HEAVY: 6000-8000 VERY HEAVY: 8000-10000 FULL: 12000 These are ranged estimates based on known scaling of super servers vs old servers AND using scaling data that was done last year (IN THESE FORUMS) on what the L,S,D,VH,F are equivalent to. These are informed estimates, as explained. NOT official numbers, and not absolute numbers. But they are tested, reasonable metrics. The empirical data they are derived from are credible... as opposed to some of the nonsense that gets tossed around here. But again.. what matters to player? Server active, server busy, lots of people to play with. In reality, the superserver approach has achieved that goal, and is frankly what they should have done at launch rather then launching with couple hundred small servers. It is an MMO afterall. Edited October 29, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Grand_Nagus Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 So...you have no idea actually? Your numbers are just as made-up as anyone elses? lol As she will tell you, they are based on research. Just not research she can provide a link to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 These are informed estimates, as explained. NOT official numbers, and not absolute numbers. But they are tested, reasonable metrics. I like how you pretend your imaginary numbers are somehow more valid than others. You took old guesses, multiplied them by 3-5 and pretend they're now "reasonable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) And because the ad hominems fly every time I present a rational discussion as to the basis for understanding server populations: The old body of work done by Scorpienne, et al that I base my estimations upon ARE HERE in the forums from last year: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=449144 And http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=484899 If you cannot read it and make use of it objectively... please don't even bother. Edited October 29, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximilianPower Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 And because the ad hominems fly every time I present a rational discussion as to the basis for understanding server populations: The old body of work done by Scorpienne, et al that I base my estimations upon ARE HERE in the forums from last year: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=449144 And http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=484899 If you cannot read it and make use of it objectively... please don't even bother. Thanks for elaborating. Skimmed those links and played around at torstatus...interesting stuff. If nothing else, it's food for thought. I'll give it a closer read this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Why are we talking about server populations? Are we trying to indicate the game is failing due to going F2P/Market again? Because, you know, that never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Why are we talking about server populations? Are we trying to indicate the game is failing due to going F2P/Market again? Because, you know, that never gets old. Heh. Every thread in these forums, if it lives long enough, comes full circle. So... I think I will just add the words: Chat Bubbles and SWG. There. Now this thread has covered everything and we can start again. Edited October 29, 2013 by Rafaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Heh. Every thread in these forums, if it lives long enough, comes full circle. So... I think I will just add the words: Chat Bubbles and SWG. There. Now, this thread has covered everything and we can start again. LOL... Can we /stick a fork in it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 LOL... Can we /stick a fork in it now? This thread is only a horcrux of a bigger and badder "cut and paste a new engine" thread. You have to kill them all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This thread is only a horcrux of a bigger and badder "cut and paste a new engine" thread. You have to kill them all! pretty sure this is that thread..think you are getting them confused now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 People just like arguing over stuff when there isn't really obvious, clear-cut evidence. If there was, there would be nothing to argue about. I mean, just imagine, if they actually released exact numbers of subscribers, accounts, population by hour, maximum server capacity, percentage of players that PVP, percentage of players that RP, do HM operations, etc.. we'd have to find other things to argue about. Like whether they can effectively change the engine, or whether the packs are in violation of gambling laws and whether you could win a lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshlaBoga Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Someone change the title of the thread to "please overhaul the engine as much as possible to fix all the bugs on the known issues list." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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