justandulas Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You are deflecting for convenience here TUXs. 1) HIs point was that they have in fact announced some patch content in this game, and rather consistently, LATE.. as in shortly before patch goes live. 2) 2.4 is 3 months away. That's an eternity in terms of game patch discussion time windows. 3) They have stated multiple times in this thread (in gold posts) that there is more coming that they have not revealed yet. IF we were 5 days from patch and all we see is what was told to us this week.. I would agree with you and endorse your frustrations. But this simply is not the case. I encourage you to step back and chill a bit. It's not like you to be this bitter, much less jumping on other players for expressing their views and opinions. BW's track record with overdelivering on patches isn't exactly stellar. They will include afew things, but more than likely arena's are all the PVP crowd has to look forward to with 2.4. And after that, how long until the next "major" pvp patch? 3.4? 4.0? BW needs to put some funds into PVP development. They know just how popular it is in game and how pvp is their most populated activity in game... yet they never put any time or effort into making anything for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You are deflecting for convenience here TUXs. 1) HIs point was that they have in fact announced some patch content in this game, and rather consistently, LATE.. as in shortly before patch goes live. 2) 2.4 is 3 months away. That's an eternity in terms of game patch discussion time windows. 3) They have stated multiple times in this thread (in gold posts) that there is more coming that they have not revealed yet. IF we were 5 days from patch and all we see is what was told to us this week.. I would agree with you and endorse your frustrations. But this simply is not the case. I encourage you to step back and chill a bit. It's not like you to be this bitter, much less jumping on other players for expressing their views and opinions. I'm not bitter at all. But I believe that if I do as you suggest, this will sadly be it for the "major PvP update". If Bioware doesn't know how disappointing that looks, why would they work on making it right? If they come out and say "We hear you - there's more coming for PvP", I'll shut up...but we need a sliver of hope from them Andryah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'm not bitter at all. But I believe that if I do as you suggest, this will sadly be it for the "major PvP update". If Bioware doesn't know how disappointing that looks, why would they work on making it right? If they come out and say "We hear you - there's more coming for PvP", I'll shut up...but we need a sliver of hope from them Andryah. They have come out and stated that there is more. Yet still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You know.. lots of people beat on Bioware for not communicating. Over the last 6-8 months they have been doing more communications about future content and beginning the process earlier in terms of patch date plans. Anyone in software development knows that what comes with that approach is the ability to communicate some things and not others (until closer to a release window). IMO you attitude and behavior in this thread (as it appears in text, since we cannot read your body language or look into your eyes (and that of some others), is in effect encouraging Bioware to communicate less, not more. A simple, objective discussion of what has been released to us.. coupled with a wait for more details (that they have said are coming) is a lot more productive IMO then all this bitterness and complaining and dooms day stuff. Of course I know you will disagree with me... and that's you choice. But can't you see the harm in such a negative approach being taken in some of the discussion (in the absence of all the facts)?? Who do you see complaining about communication? I certainly haven't. I'm disappointed in their actual PLANS Andryah. Eric's communication is second to none...most of the time, and I give him credit quite often for what he does. And what I see is this...... I see Bioware doing exactly what they did PRE-launch - ignoring their customers to pursue their own goals. Which is fine, when you don't count on customers to support your product. Sadly, Bioware needs customers. PvPers need maps. Those of us still here, understand that WZ's are what we have...most of us have come to terms with that. But we need some flipping variety! A couple new 4v4 arenas, while fine additional content, should be secondary to doubling the number of maps we have in-game. You claim my comments are "harmful", I disagree. I see them as the inconvenient truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 They have come out and stated that there is more. Yet still... For PvP?! They've specifically mentioned more for PvP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandicus Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 What the...huh?! Premades will presumably still be an issue in 4v4 arenas...what point are you trying to make here? In fact, I'll speculate that 4v4 premades will be the vast MAJORITY of all arenas. Arguably the existence of a game mode catering to a 4 man premade means that less premades will be in traditional warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Arguably the existence of a game mode catering to a 4 man premade means that less premades will be in traditional warzones. Possible, but doubtful. They'll have more players doing Arenas to start, but the main content of PvP is still the WZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Who do you see complaining about communication? You missed my point completely. Was that deliberate, or an accident? If you care at all to understand my point.. please go back and re-read it. I'm not going to bother to reiterate given your negative frame of mind right now. Edited July 18, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You missed my point completely. Was that deliberate, or an accident? If you care at all to understand my point.. please go back and re-read it. I'm not going to bother to reiterate given your negative frame of mind right now. Well I'm not going to bother to re-read it given your negative attitude either. So there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Well I'm not going to bother to re-read it given your negative attitude either. So there! LOL... OK then... I guess it's wet-noodles at 10 paces. Or do you prefer marshmallows? Edited July 18, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 LOL... OK then... I guess it's wet-noodles at 10 paces. Or do you prefer marshmallows? Paper airplanes possibly?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJurgens Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 LOL... OK then... I guess it's wet-noodles at 10 paces. Or do you prefer marshmallows? I can't believe EAware is paying you for these silly responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Hire more than one guy to work on PVP BW ffs In all fairness to BW, they have two Devs working on the PvP Team: Rob Hinkle and Alex Modny. lol They have come out and stated that there is more. Yet still... Oh, there will be more...in the Cartel Market. lulz Edited July 18, 2013 by DarthOvertone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justandulas Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 In all fairness to BW, they have two Devs working on the PvP Team: Rob Hinkle and Alex Modny. lol Oh, there will be more...in the Cartel Market. lulz only 2 people working on pvp? Seriously!? PVP is amongst the most popular activities in this game, and it isn't being funded? No wonder we don't see crap for content ever. How many people work on the CM? New ops and dungeons? Where is the pvp love?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvini Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Sadly as promised arena will not make it into todays patch due to a conflicting cartel market bug. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. On the bright side you won't have to wait as long as you did for ranked warzones. Thank you for your money:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 only 2 people working on pvp? Seriously!? PVP is amongst the most popular activities in this game, and it isn't being funded? No wonder we don't see crap for content ever. How many people work on the CM? New ops and dungeons? Where is the pvp love?! You're preaching to the choir my brother. I'm with you all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justandulas Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You're preaching to the choir my brother. I'm with you all the way. FFS hire me, i'll work for peanuts and they can put it in my contract that I will deliver a map or two every month with a minimum of 10 a year. It isn't that hard to make a pvp map.... hell, just turn on COD or BF3 and steal some of their map designs. That is heartbreaking to hear only 2 devs for swtor pvp. What happened to gabe or whatever his name was? The pvp dev from launch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragamite Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 FFS hire me, i'll work for peanuts and they can put it in my contract that I will deliver a map or two every month with a minimum of 10 a year. It isn't that hard to make a pvp map.... hell, just turn on COD or BF3 and steal some of their map designs. That is heartbreaking to hear only 2 devs for swtor pvp. What happened to gabe or whatever his name was? The pvp dev from launch? I'm with that! To the PvE community silence! You are getting stuff let the PvPers express themselves as 2.4 was expressed as... "If your a PvPer stay tuned for 2.4 cause this ones for you!" And so we get 4x4 WZs. If the notes of interest for 2.4 went A new PvP planet with new missions and rewards 2 large scale WZs 4x4WZs New gear to grind for Do you feel like the PvE community would have flipped? I don't think so cause like the PvP community they thought 2.4 was q PvP patch. If these were the notes do you think the PvP community would be in the outrage they are now? I don't think so cause there is plenty of potential there. But as it was this PvP patch IS a PvE cover up that PvPers are just suppose to suck up and deal with or hope there is some kind of large PvP item that is top secret and they will release with the patch without us knowing until its live and we get to play? Don't be naive there is nothing as grand as what they listed in this thread. Anything additional they may have not listed will be minor tweeks or items nothing like an "OPS" for PvPers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basreia Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Hello everybody! I just made a nice PvP thread that I think most of you will enjoy. It is in suggestions. Please go there and tell me what you think http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6564959#post6564959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidichIorian Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 While I've had my worries regarding PvP I have to admit that it sounds like the upcoming PvE updates will keep me busy for a while. PvE was the reason I started playing this game in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ialyxxiieee Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 HK-51 do you mean? that's made my day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Paper airplanes possibly?! Whoa, whoa, whoa! Easy fellas! Those paper airplanes can poke someones eye out! Or worse, give you a papercut! Best stick to wet noodles or marshmallows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 And some of us can't stand PvE, so whats your *********** point? There are two sides to this game and the developers are blatantly ignoring one side of the game. Just because you do not like PvP doesn't make it right that we get practically zero updates. You have more than enough *********** content to do, let us have ONE *********** patch for ourselves. Those two operations should be held off until 2.5 Exactly what Raansu said. Having the entire patch for PvP is the only way these guys are actually going to deliver the things they need to. Things that have been overdue for about a year now. Umm... you do realize that there wouldnt be MORE PvP stuff in the patch just because they hold off the PvE stuff to patch 2.5 right? It would just be a smaller patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I'm not bitter at all. But I believe that if I do as you suggest, this will sadly be it for the "major PvP update". If Bioware doesn't know how disappointing that looks, why would they work on making it right? If they come out and say "We hear you - there's more coming for PvP", I'll shut up...but we need a sliver of hope from them Andryah. Isnt that exactly what they said here? As some have said, this is not the only thing coming in 2.4. We have stated before in this thread the purpose of this is to give you an overview, it does not have every detail. Some of your other concerns...such as queuing for Ranked, will be addressed along with 2.4. We are still working on details and 2.4 is still a ways off. We will continue to release information as we lock things in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Umm... you do realize that there wouldnt be MORE PvP stuff in the patch just because they hold off the PvE stuff to patch 2.5 right? It would just be a smaller patch. The point was that this patch was hyped by the developers themselves to be a pvp patch, which means 100% of effort should of been put into pvp for this patch. The fact that there are two operations, a new daily zone and a new planet/story arc included into it is pretty much a big slap in the face to all the pvp players who have been patient with BW. A studio that kept saying "wait till 2.4, we have big things happening, wait, just wait, we cant say yet, just wait, blah blah blah blah." Edited July 19, 2013 by Raansu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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