Rykko Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Hated all the CG in the prequels? Think there'll be less of it? Lucasfilm is/was trying to build an entirely bluesecreen soundstage. People don't fly to Tunisia any more if they can build a virtual set from photos. Hated Jar-Jar? You really think Disney aren't going to want to see another character aimed at selling toys to kids? Think they were kiddie films and Star Wars should be for mature audiences? Again, Disney buyout. Their business is to sell their brands to young children and get them buying merchandise the rest of their lives and passing those habits on to their children. Boba Fett is not going to be snorting spice off any naked Twi'leks outside of rule #34. Ok so maybe there'll be a different director and producer and the main 3 will probably be back but not as central characters. The best guess you could make right now about how it will turn out is to compare it with Indy 4 which, just like Ep 7, George wrote but other people directed/produced etc. Honest question, I'm curious to know if it's been 30 years or more since a Star Wars film was released that you liked, why is that going to change all of a sudden in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Vicente Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) To CG: Avatar did it WELL To Disney being all about kids: Pirates of the Caribbean didn't stoop to that demographic Edited November 8, 2012 by Darth_Vicente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Didn't like the prequels? What makes you think you'll like the sequels? George Lucas isn't writing or directing them. THAT's what makes me think I'll like the sequels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 To CG: Avatar did it WELL To Disney being all about kids: Pirates of the Caribbean didn't stoop to that demographic Or Tron. Honestly, I see only good coming from this Disney. As much as you guys hate to admit it, nothing in the world compares to seeing Star Wars on the big screen. No matter which movie it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokdron Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Lets not forget the avengers that was good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 But what if we did like the PT? Sorry, but some people like Greek Tragedies. But I probably won't see the ST; just isn't Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 But what if we did like the PT? Sorry, but some people like Greek Tragedies. But I probably won't see the ST; just isn't Star Wars. To me, the Prequels were a Geek Tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarazoul Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Regarding the CG : 1) It looked bad then but it looks more better now. If we get a new CG SW, it will not be as bad as the prequel looked. 2) It all comes down to the director. Take Guillermo del Toro for exemple. That guy uses pratical effects, and real locations as much as possible. Only using CGI if it's the best choice. Untill we know which director they'll choose, we can't tell if it will be full CG or not. As for the Disney factor : Would you be more relieved if it was handed to Fox? Surely they did a very good job with Dragon ball. Starwars may not be a "kids" movie, but it IS a "family" movie. The Disney Channel and Pirates of the Carabians aim two different publics. They may mess things up but maybe they won't. That bein said, Disney did bought Marvel. Saw the new Iron Man 3 trailer? Saw any Jar Jar element in there?? No.. Didn't think so... Point is... Yes it can suck, but it CAN be good (maybe not as grand as the IV, V VI, but still good). Let's wait for the first teaser, cast annoucement, and director ... Then we can talk ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatPERSON Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 the avengers wasnt kiddie, sure lots of kids love it. but lets be honest, thats not kiddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor_Kakashi Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 As much as you guys hate to admit it, nothing in the world compares to seeing Star Wars on the big screen. No matter which movie it is. Or maybe they just prefer other forms of entertainment over movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xatasha Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The problem with prequels was that there was no surprises for people. You knew who the bad was going to be, who would die and what would happen. None of stuff like finding out brother and sister were kissing, that the little green guy was Yoda the Jedi master, that the bad guy was the good guys father and so on. With the sequels you will again be able to be surprised and there they have a much better chance of being enjoyed more than the prequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheronFett Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hated all the CG in the prequels? Think there'll be less of it? There was a stark difference between the magic and grittiness of the original trilogy compared to the prequels. It was jarring. I think at this day and age, most people expect CG as the new standard. You really think Disney aren't going to want to see another character aimed at selling toys to kids? Pirates, The Avengers, etc. Disney is perfectly capable of creating movies that kids can enjoy without making everything like Toy Story. Again, Disney buyout. Their business is to sell their brands to young children and get them buying merchandise the rest of their lives and passing those habits on to their children. It's Star Wars, the most successful franchise of all time. If George Lucas couldn't manage to screw it up no matter how hard he tried, I'm sure Disney will do just fine. Honest question, I'm curious to know if it's been 30 years or more since a Star Wars film was released that you liked, why is that going to change all of a sudden in 2015? With a few exceptions, I liked the prequels overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectreclees Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Disney has had a good track record for being involved in some great movies.. as some stated. I see good out of this for the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgon Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Eh, I like the prequels, in soemm cases more than the OT. Either way, this new ST will be interesting or not based on what they retcon and what I retcon it to (not a big fan of most things happening after Episode 6). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Sure, it might be end up terrible, but honestly I doubt it will be as bad as the prequels were. Here my reasons: First, whoever becomes the new director for Star Wars knows how the fans reacted to the prequels and so he (or she) sure want to try something different. Then it is not George Lucas, so it will be someone who can be reasoned with, because Lucas was too attached to his own ideas and could not stand people who told him that some of his ideas aren't that great. And then there is Disney, I think they did a great job with the Marvel movies, and if they will treat Star Wars similar, everything can turn out well. So, I will wait and watch what happens instead of thinking that it has no chance of being any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustARandomGuy Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think I'll wait until the film comes out before passing judgement. And if the next director/script writer/art director can come up with something even worse than Jar-Jar... I guess that means you can scrape past the bottom of the barrel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugamaniac Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Didn't like the prequels? What makes you think you'll like the sequels? George Lucas isn't writing or directing them. THAT's what makes me think I'll like the sequels! This. Also, want to see what Disney is capable of? Go take a look at the animated series Tron Uprising. Great animation, great story, great voice acting. If you think Disney won't put as much if not more thought/effort into the Star Wars sequels then you don't know Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 All entertainment is pretty much opinion, so...just because 1 person didn't like the PT or a group doesn't mean everybody did/does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarazoul Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) The problem with prequels was that there was no surprises for people. You knew who the bad was going to be, who would die and what would happen. None of stuff like finding out brother and sister were kissing, that the little green guy was Yoda the Jedi master, that the bad guy was the good guys father and so on. With the sequels you will again be able to be surprised and there they have a much better chance of being enjoyed more than the prequels That was a "minor" issue. We could have had good movies even when knowing who the bad guy was. No the main problems were : Episode one : - Jar Jar (You might as well put a CGI pink Goofy). I understand that George tried to appeal to younger audiences but that was overkill. It broke the immersion completly. - The kid playing Anakin, one of the worst kid actors i have seen to date. - Lots of political non-sense, that didn't made sense and made the movie boring. - Abuse of green screen, made everything look fake. - midichloriens : The force used to be a supernatural element in the movie. Now it's just a virus or something.. Episode II : - Anakin : Again... Terrible, terrible actor... And bad character to begin with. Hard to believe that Darth Vader, who is suppose to be calm in all circunstances used to be a whining sissy. - Relationship between Obi and Anakin : In Episode IV, Obi says they used to be good friends... Never felt that in the movie... IF anything , they were an annoyance to each other - Love relationship between Padme and Anakin : Soap opera dialogue, has no hearth, it's just hard to believe these two felt in love. - The Jedi council and the senate : It becomes obvious at this point that Anakin is a dangerous Jedi. Too many times did he show obvious Signs that could lead him to the Dark side... So what does the Council do... They send him to be alone with Padme... Very logical.... He is not suppose to fall in love and yet they stage everything for their relationship to work. Doesn't make sense. - Doku : Boring... Useless vilain... As nothing interesting to it. Unlike Darth Maul, the only good thing about Episode I who sadly was killed, while he should have been the "Vador" of the prequels. - The clones : So a clone army was made, we don't know by who or why... And everyone seems to be fine with it... WHAT THE F****! Episode III : - Honestly Episode III wasn't too bad. Aside from the fact that Anakins fall to the dark side was so obvious (His appearance screamed for it) and Yoda didn't notice a thing. Gravious was again a useless, nonsenses vilain. But overall, it wasn't that bad... Other than the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at the end. Overall the 3 movies suffered from the bad CGI (it was bad even at it's time) , poor performences, too many vilains (Doku, Palpatine, Gravious, Maul), unlikebable characters. To wrap it up..; Episode I and II were probably the worst thing that a SW movie could be. With Episode III being barely ok. I don't care if Disney takes it back... The only thing i know is that Lucas will not be making the new movies... And that is all good news to me... And what is even better.... We might.... We just might, get the ORIGINAL version of IV V and VI on DVD. Edited November 9, 2012 by sarazoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 That was a "minor" issue. We could have had good movies even when knowing who the bad guy was. No the main problems were : Episode one : - Jar Jar (You might as well put a CGI pink Goofy). I understand that George tried to appeal to younger audiences but that was overkill. It broke the immersion completly. - The kid playing Anakin, one of the worst kid actors i have seen to date. - Lots of political non-sense, that didn't made sense and made the movie boring. - Abuse of green screen, made everything look fake. - midichloriens : The force used to be a supernatural element in the movie. Now it's just a virus or something.. Episode II : - Anakin : Again... Terrible, terrible actor... And bad character to begin with. Hard to believe that Darth Vader, who is suppose to be calm in all circunstances used to be a whining sissy. - Relationship between Obi and Anakin : In Episode IV, Obi says they used to be good friends... Never felt that in the movie... IF anything , they were an annoyance to each other - Love relationship between Padme and Anakin : Soap opera dialogue, has no hearth, it's just hard to believe these two felt in love. - The Jedi council and the senate : It becomes obvious at this point that Anakin is a dangerous Jedi. Too many times did he show obvious Signs that could lead him to the Dark side... So what does the Council do... They send him to be alone with Padme... Very logical.... He is not suppose to fall in love and yet they stage everything for their relationship to work. Doesn't make sense. - Doku : Boring... Useless vilain... As nothing interesting to it. Unlike Darth Maul, the only good thing about Episode I who sadly was killed, while he should have been the "Vador" of the prequels. - The clones : So a clone army was made, we don't know by who or why... And everyone seems to be fine with it... WHAT THE F****! Episode III : - Honestly Episode III wasn't too bad. Aside from the fact that Anakins fall to the dark side was so obvious (His appearance screamed for it) and Yoda didn't notice a thing. Gravious was again a useless, nonsenses vilain. But overall, it wasn't that bad... Other than the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at the end. Overall the 3 movies suffered from the bad CGI (it was bad even at it's time) , poor performences, too many vilains (Doku, Palpatine, Gravious, Maul), unlikebable characters. To wrap it up..; Episode I and II were probably the worst thing that a SW movie could be. With Episode III being barely ok. I don't care if Disney takes it back... The only thing i know is that Lucas will not be making the new movies... And that is all good news to me... And what is even better.... We might.... We just might, get the ORIGINAL version of IV V and VI on DVD. Someone didn't watch the movies good enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarazoul Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Someone didn't watch the movies good enough... What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xatasha Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That was a "minor" issue. We could have had good movies even when knowing who the bad guy was. No the main problems were : Episode one : - Jar Jar (You might as well put a CGI pink Goofy). I understand that George tried to appeal to younger audiences but that was overkill. It broke the immersion completly. - The kid playing Anakin, one of the worst kid actors i have seen to date. - Lots of political non-sense, that didn't made sense and made the movie boring. - Abuse of green screen, made everything look fake. - midichloriens : The force used to be a supernatural element in the movie. Now it's just a virus or something.. Episode II : - Anakin : Again... Terrible, terrible actor... And bad character to begin with. Hard to believe that Darth Vader, who is suppose to be calm in all circunstances used to be a whining sissy. - Relationship between Obi and Anakin : In Episode IV, Obi says they used to be good friends... Never felt that in the movie... IF anything , they were an annoyance to each other - Love relationship between Padme and Anakin : Soap opera dialogue, has no hearth, it's just hard to believe these two felt in love. - The Jedi council and the senate : It becomes obvious at this point that Anakin is a dangerous Jedi. Too many times did he show obvious Signs that could lead him to the Dark side... So what does the Council do... They send him to be alone with Padme... Very logical.... He is not suppose to fall in love and yet they stage everything for their relationship to work. Doesn't make sense. - Doku : Boring... Useless vilain... As nothing interesting to it. Unlike Darth Maul, the only good thing about Episode I who sadly was killed, while he should have been the "Vador" of the prequels. - The clones : So a clone army was made, we don't know by who or why... And everyone seems to be fine with it... WHAT THE F****! Episode III : - Honestly Episode III wasn't too bad. Aside from the fact that Anakins fall to the dark side was so obvious (His appearance screamed for it) and Yoda didn't notice a thing. Gravious was again a useless, nonsenses vilain. But overall, it wasn't that bad... Other than the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at the end. Overall the 3 movies suffered from the bad CGI (it was bad even at it's time) , poor performences, too many vilains (Doku, Palpatine, Gravious, Maul), unlikebable characters. To wrap it up..; Episode I and II were probably the worst thing that a SW movie could be. With Episode III being barely ok. I don't care if Disney takes it back... The only thing i know is that Lucas will not be making the new movies... And that is all good news to me... And what is even better.... We might.... We just might, get the ORIGINAL version of IV V and VI on DVD. Your statements here prove my point very well. You knew who the kid was and therefore had exceptions of what he should be. You knew the whole story and it did not play out like it should of in your head. I find it odd how much people expected out of the prequels. The OG ones had little models flying around with a black back drops, puppets and light saber duels with Vadar who could barely move in his costume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 What do you mean? Speaking about the background of the certain characters. I agree with most of his points, but not when he talks about characters like Dooku and Grievous. Many people don't pay enough attention to the story of the movies imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 - midichloriens : The force used to be a supernatural element in the movie. Now it's just a virus or something.. I don't get why people always say such a stupid thing. Midi-chlorians have changed nothing on the force! The Force is still the same, all the midi-chlorians do is tell us why certain people have access to powers others do not... and that it is something that is tied to certain families is already established in the original trilogy. So, basically all it did was give us a name for something we all knew has to be there, other wise Obi-Wan and Yoda just could have trained anyone they would have liked, but they needed someone who has this connection to the Force. And it is just that - the link, not the Force itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor_Kakashi Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) That was a "minor" issue. We could have had good movies even when knowing who the bad guy was. No the main problems were : Episode one : - Jar Jar (You might as well put a CGI pink Goofy). I understand that George tried to appeal to younger audiences but that was overkill. It broke the immersion completly. - The kid playing Anakin, one of the worst kid actors i have seen to date. - Lots of political non-sense, that didn't made sense and made the movie boring. - Abuse of green screen, made everything look fake. - midichloriens : The force used to be a supernatural element in the movie. Now it's just a virus or something.. Episode II : - Anakin : Again... Terrible, terrible actor... And bad character to begin with. Hard to believe that Darth Vader, who is suppose to be calm in all circunstances used to be a whining sissy. - Relationship between Obi and Anakin : In Episode IV, Obi says they used to be good friends... Never felt that in the movie... IF anything , they were an annoyance to each other - Love relationship between Padme and Anakin : Soap opera dialogue, has no hearth, it's just hard to believe these two felt in love. - The Jedi council and the senate : It becomes obvious at this point that Anakin is a dangerous Jedi. Too many times did he show obvious Signs that could lead him to the Dark side... So what does the Council do... They send him to be alone with Padme... Very logical.... He is not suppose to fall in love and yet they stage everything for their relationship to work. Doesn't make sense. - Doku : Boring... Useless vilain... As nothing interesting to it. Unlike Darth Maul, the only good thing about Episode I who sadly was killed, while he should have been the "Vador" of the prequels. - The clones : So a clone army was made, we don't know by who or why... And everyone seems to be fine with it... WHAT THE F****! Episode III : - Honestly Episode III wasn't too bad. Aside from the fact that Anakins fall to the dark side was so obvious (His appearance screamed for it) and Yoda didn't notice a thing. Gravious was again a useless, nonsenses vilain. But overall, it wasn't that bad... Other than the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at the end. Overall the 3 movies suffered from the bad CGI (it was bad even at it's time) , poor performences, too many vilains (Doku, Palpatine, Gravious, Maul), unlikebable characters. To wrap it up..; Episode I and II were probably the worst thing that a SW movie could be. With Episode III being barely ok. I don't care if Disney takes it back... The only thing i know is that Lucas will not be making the new movies... And that is all good news to me... And what is even better.... We might.... We just might, get the ORIGINAL version of IV V and VI on DVD. This forum needs to allow images; click here. I mostly agree with the other points you've made, with the exception of Dooku being a terrible villain and your point about the clones. To be honest though, I did enjoy the PT. That, however, is likely due to the fact that I first saw the movies in their numbered order. Not to mention the choreography of the lightsaber duels was better. Edited November 10, 2012 by Emperor_Kakashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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