Legacy Wide datacrons

[PetFish]

... someone else having the unlock would not effect them or their game at all.

 

I see this from the ProLDs a lot. Yes, it does affect me and my game.

 

All things being equal: same class, gear, stats, etc and one person has an extra 600 health plus an extra 50 mainstat they will have a definite advantage over the other one.

 

That's why people get them, to have an advantage, and if you start handing them out to every character then it makes me have to get it as well to remain competitive in PvP and in PvE cuz groups doing top-level content will want as many min/max players as possible so I may get turned away if I don't have them.

 

FunFact: You can bypass the Tatooine Jawa Balloon and just have someone push you up.

 

If I want the advantage, I go get it, I shouldn't automatically receive it "just cuz". People spend hours and hours doing dailies and flashpoints and operations over and over and over on multiple characters so they can have the best gear on each so why the aversion to spending a few hours getting Datacrons? Sure, a few of them are difficult, and a few of them are a total pain, but the reward for getting them is there if you just spend a little time, which is pretty much no time when compared to grinding dailies. Most of them are right on your path doing class missions as well.

 

FunFact: Did you know you can get all five (5) of the Ilum Datacrons in <10 minutes?

 

You want to hand out Codex entries? Great. Copy stat-less gear through collections? Great. But giving bonuses (Datacrons, Social, Light/Dark Side) that one character earned to all characters? Not great.

 

Tips for Effective Datacron Gathering:

• Get them as you level since you can actually use the XP and stats more than when you're 60.
  
• Learn to "mousewalk" pipes and ledges.
  
• Turn off sprint.
  
• Offer to help others in the area/planet, it's a good way to meet people, and also spreads good cheer.
  
• You really don't need all of them, just your main stat, endurance, and presence.
  
• If you're on Harbinger, look me up (see my signature), and I'll be happy to gather them with you.
  

Edited April 27, 2015 by PetFish

[-Snakesan-]

The anti-LH movement seems to follow the same tired pattern:

 

• Rely on exploits
  
• They demand that others stop altering *THEIR* game (in a forum for suggestions )
  
• Some seek patronization
  
• Never read the thread
  
• Copy and paste as if there wasn't a search function
  
• Treat this (and any requests) as comment threads
  

 

 

You are not being helpful.

 

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[Ratajack]

The anti-LH movement seems to follow the same tired pattern:

 

• Rely on exploits
  
• They demand that others stop altering *THEIR* game (in a forum for suggestions )
  
• Some seek patronization
  
• Never read the thread
  
• Copy and paste as if there wasn't a search function
  
• Treat this (and any requests) as comment threads
  

 

 

You are not being helpful.

 

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I'm posting this as a means of cleaning this thread up to facilitate a more civil discussion. Any reposts or copy/paste replies should be seen as non-constructive, non-unique commentary. Same with personal attacks, off-topic comments or disparaging behavior. Treat it as such.

 

I'm sorry. Are you still talking about simply "recognition", such as legacy wide CODEX entries? Or are you also now advocating that the stat bonuses be made legacy wide?

 

As I said, I do not recall anyone being against the CODEX entries for datacrons being made legacy wide.

 

It seems to me that all of the items in your "list" have only been brought up as arguments against making the stat bonuses legacy wide, and NOT when discussing the CODEX entries being made legacy wide.

 

You are correct when you state that this is a forum for suggestions. Just as anyone has the right to "suggest" that changes be made to the game, they also have the right to "suggest" that changes with which they disagree NOT be made to the game. This is NOT a one way forum.

 

Repeated attempts to bully those against making the stat bonuses from datacrons into silence does not add anything constructive to the discussion.

[Stoofa]

The anti-LH movement seems to follow the same tired pattern:

 

• Rely on exploits
  
• They demand that others stop altering *THEIR* game (in a forum for suggestions )
  
• Some seek patronization
  
• Never read the thread
  
• Copy and paste as if there wasn't a search function
  
• Treat this (and any requests) as comment threads
  

 

 

You are not being helpful.

 

Here's a post from the day the forums popped. In case you decided not to click the link:

 

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I'm posting this as a means of cleaning this thread up to facilitate a more civil discussion. Any reposts or copy/paste replies should be seen as non-constructive, non-unique commentary. Same with personal attacks, off-topic comments or disparaging behavior. Treat it as such.

 

I'm sorry - are you in charge of this thread? I'm just assuming by your posting of some rules that either:

 

a. You are in charge of this thread

b. You are in charge of the forums

c. You want to be in charge of something - but you aren't

 

Either way, you cannot have things all one way. Somebody wants to make a suggestion, fine, that is what this forum is all about, suggestions.

However everyone has the right to counter the suggestion. To put their point over - which they have every right to.

Your complaint that those people against the legacy datacrons just repeat the same thing over is rather moot - all the pro legacy datacron people is repeat the same "But we want it becaause we cannot be bothered to do it any more" - so you could say aren't forwarding the argument or the thread any further.

[PetFish]

Also, that hypocrite breaks half of the rules they post anyway.

[-Snakesan-]

I'm sorry - are you in charge of this thread? I'm just assuming by your posting of some rules that either:

 

a. You are in charge of this thread

b. You are in charge of the forums

c. You want to be in charge of something - but you aren't

 

Either way, you cannot have things all one way. Somebody wants to make a suggestion, fine, that is what this forum is all about, suggestions.

However everyone has the right to counter the suggestion. To put their point over - which they have every right to.

Your complaint that those people against the legacy datacrons just repeat the same thing over is rather moot - all the pro legacy datacron people is repeat the same "But we want it becaause we cannot be bothered to do it any more" - so you could say aren't forwarding the argument or the thread any further.

 

Eh, I suppose you could have something about my persistance. Once the trolls stop badgering folks for making a request I'll stop asking others to help out mods and follow the rules.

 

Unique replies to this thread from those interested in this kind of request really shuts this nonsense down. It is literally four others trying to tell hundreds of others that their request is not worthwhile due to some odd rationalizations that I refuse to get into.

Edited April 28, 2015 by -Snakesan-

[FredrikssonR]

As an alternative to Legacy wide datacrons, at least set up a tab in the in the character Codex so I can keep track of which datacrons I've gathered on which characters. The current set up doesn't allow for tracking at all.

[EnkiduNineEight]

As an alternative to Legacy wide datacrons, at least set up a tab in the in the character Codex so I can keep track of which datacrons I've gathered on which characters. The current set up doesn't allow for tracking at all.

 

You can though look at the plantary entry and check your achivements on the plant and it tells you how many of the datarons you have. Its not correct (some planets miscount their number) but its correct for most all of them. So you can at least tell in most all cases if you are done with the DC's on that planet or not. And if you missed one, odds are its the 'hard one' on that planet.

[SodaFett]

I agree!!

[gocard]

No. NOT really. Using QT does NOT give your character a permanent stat bonus simply for getting to point B. You also cannot get to point B on ONE character and have all your characters placed at point B simply because ONE character is at point B.

 

You want to be rewarded by having the stat bonuses for the datacrons for EACH AND EVERY CHARACTER, PRESENT AND FUTURE, simply for having done something ONCE on ONE character.

 

Stats on Legacy gear. My imp wears gear my pub earned. And if you say that you have to transfer the gear so only one char can use it (not duplicated across all chars), let me ask, when was the last time you were logged into two characters in your account at the same time?

Edited April 29, 2015 by gocard

[EnkiduNineEight]

Stats on Legacy gear. My imp wears gear my pub earned. And if you say that you have to transfer the gear so only one char can use it (not duplicated across all chars), let me ask, when was the last time you were logged into two characters in your account at the same time?

 

For the record, some of us think Legacy Gear is a bit of a problem for just this reason. I take advantage of it because its stupid not to. I think though it was a damaging mechanic addition to the game. It fosters and enables FOTM behavior which damages end game IMO. Unless you are chasing the FOTM class you are often at a disadvantage to do end game content.

[bingobeawr]

This is a great idea a must have. I would pay all of my cartel coins just to get this feature. This is a must have. I really wish they implemented it and not had to make everyone grind datacrons with multiple characters.

[Ratajack]

Stats on Legacy gear. My imp wears gear my pub earned. And if you say that you have to transfer the gear so only one char can use it (not duplicated across all chars), let me ask, when was the last time you were logged into two characters in your account at the same time?

 

When was the last time you logged off your assassin and logged onto your shadow without having to send that legacy gear to your shadow?

 

When was the last time you logged on to play your operative without having to check to ensure that your legacy gear had been sent to your operative?

 

When was the last time your mercenary and your marauder got he exact same benefit from the exact same set of legacy gear?

 

When was the last time you looted a piece of gear and had EACH AND EVERY CHARACTER get a class appropriate equivalent piece of gear?

[Ratajack]

Eh, I suppose you could have something about my persistance. Once the trolls stop badgering folks for making a request I'll stop asking others to help out mods and follow the rules.

 

Unique replies to this thread from those interested in this kind of request really shuts this nonsense down. It is literally four others trying to tell hundreds of others that their request is not worthwhile due to some odd rationalizations that I refuse to get into.

 

I haven't seen a "unique" reply from any of the pro legacy datacron posters in months.

 

It is all just the same "Give me those stat bonuses on all my characters even though I am too averse to the minimal effort required to find those datacrons on all my characters. I found them on ONE character, so just give me those stat bonuses on ALL my characters, present and future."

[-Snakesan-]

I haven't seen a "unique" reply from any of the pro legacy datacron posters in months.

 

It is all just the same "Give me those stat bonuses on all my characters even though I am too averse to the minimal effort required to find those datacrons on all my characters. I found them on ONE character, so just give me those stat bonuses on ALL my characters, present and future."

I'm not sure if you lack comprehension or not, but I can see at least three unique replies to this thread in the past two days.

 

Please, stop trolling this thread. I've asked you MULTIPLE times.

[Ratajack]

I'm not sure if you lack comprehension or not, but I can see at least three unique replies to this thread in the past two days.

 

Please, stop trolling this thread. I've asked you MULTIPLE times.

 

First, I've told you multiple times that your repeated attempts to bully me and any others who oppose handing out the datacron stat bonuses to characters who have not found the datacrons will not silence me. I will continue to post my objections to this demand.

 

Second, I recommend that you go back and read this thread from the beginning. That is, of course, providing that you are not too averse to the effort required to do so. I think you will find that even in the last two days, there have been no "unique" replies from the pro legacy datacron crowd. I went back and read the last three days worth of posts and I could not find a single post from the pro legacy datacron crowd has not already been stated at least once in this thread alone, or does not simply boil down to "Give me the stat bonuses on ALL my characters without making me find the datacrons on ALL my characters."

 

Last, I ask again, is this about the stat bonuses or the "recognition"--as in legacy CODEX entries? As has been stated by myself and others, I do not think you will find anyone who is against the CODEX entries being made legacy wide, only the stat bonuses. If your only concern is the "recognition" or legacy wide CODEX entries, then we can agree and there is no need for you to attempt to bully me or any others into silence regarding any opposition to the stat bonuses being made legacy wide.

[MoskitoMando]

/signed

 

Yes, please!

[-Snakesan-]

First, I've told you multiple times that your repeated attempts to bully me and any others who oppose handing out the datacron stat bonuses to characters who have not found the datacrons will not silence me. I will continue to post my objections to this demand.

 

Second, I recommend that you go back and read this thread from the beginning. That is, of course, providing that you are not too averse to the effort required to do so. I think you will find that even in the last two days, there have been no "unique" replies from the pro legacy datacron crowd. I went back and read the last three days worth of posts and I could not find a single post from the pro legacy datacron crowd has not already been stated at least once in this thread alone, or does not simply boil down to "Give me the stat bonuses on ALL my characters without making me find the datacrons on ALL my characters."

 

Last, I ask again, is this about the stat bonuses or the "recognition"--as in legacy CODEX entries? As has been stated by myself and others, I do not think you will find anyone who is against the CODEX entries being made legacy wide, only the stat bonuses. If your only concern is the "recognition" or legacy wide CODEX entries, then we can agree and there is no need for you to attempt to bully me or any others into silence regarding any opposition to the stat bonuses being made legacy wide

.

/signed

 

Yes, please!

 

Ratajack, is an example of a post from a unique supporter. One of MANY such INDIVIDUALS seeking a change to the current system. Seriously, stop acting as if you have grounds to DEMAND anyone pay attention to YOUR OPINIONS while the VAST MAJORITY SUPPORT A CHANGE. Your interpretation of said request has been noted the thirty or so odd times you've made it painfully clear.

 

Cut it with the TOXICITY.

[EnkiduNineEight]

Just posting this here for posterity:

 

You should be happy to even have an ignore option. I'd take the high road here and just learn to deal with others opinions as opposed to asking for outright dismissal of everything someone says. If seeing a forum handle really upsets you that much..

[-Snakesan-]

Just posting this here for posterity:

 

Unfortunately, that does not apply to every participant in this thread. He's trying to bully others into not supporting this kind of change due to his warped interpretation of how a support request works. I will not stand for it, or allow his subjection of will to go unchecked. If those that are interested in this kind of change reflect their opinions as such, and he continues to reply with the same copy-paste nonsense he's continued to do since his first post back in.. 2012.. I will continue to respond in kind.

 

His posts have been deleted before.

Edited May 1, 2015 by -Snakesan-

[branmakmuffin]

'm not sure if you lack comprehension or not, but I can see at least three unique replies to this thread in the past two days.

You mean like "yes, please" and "signed?"

Edited May 1, 2015 by branmakmuffin

[-Snakesan-]

You mean like "yes, please" and "signed?"

 

Each of them, as long as they are individual accounts, should be considered unique replies; akin to a vote of sorts.

 

I /signed this ONCE. I am not continuously throwing in my support for this change by replying every time Ratajack or some other detractor bashes their singular vote in.. over and over and over. You should act as if you get ONE vote, not an unlimited number of ballots.

Edited May 1, 2015 by -Snakesan-

[EnkiduNineEight]

Suggestions like this always get lots of support simply because it removes 'effort'. Human nature what it is means that if you were to make any suggestion, for the most part, that removes effort while continues to get the same reqward you are always going to get a number of people whose 'unique' response is 'Yes!' or 'Sign me up' or the various variations of the same.

 

Garnering the support of the masses by asking for something that removes effort but continues to provide the reward is a sure fire way to look like you're for the 'proletariat' but also often has its own set of baggage and problems.

 

Ideas need to be measured on their merit, and how it affects the play experience of everyone, not just the class of people who have already met the requirements to get the 'gift' you are requesting.

 

On its merits, this removes even more of the low level content and pushes the game forward towards Log In, Get all your Rewards, then complain about lack of end game content.

 

The Datacrons are a reward, per character, for exploring the maps and going to their locations. This should not change.

 

Please stop asking for ways to not play the game.

[branmakmuffin]

I /signed this ONCE. I am not continuously throwing in my support for this change by replying every time Ratajack or some other detractor bashes their singular vote in.. over and over and over..

Trolling, unintentional irony or just flat out delusional?

[-Snakesan-]

Suggestions like this always get lots of support simply because it removes 'effort'. Human nature what it is means that if you were to make any suggestion, for the most part, that removes effort while continues to get the same reqward you are always going to get a number of people whose 'unique' response is 'Yes!' or 'Sign me up' or the various variations of the same.

 

Garnering the support of the masses by asking for something that removes effort but continues to provide the reward is a sure fire way to look like you're for the 'proletariat' but also often has its own set of baggage and problems.

 

Ideas need to be measured on their merit, and how it affects the play experience of everyone, not just the class of people who have already met the requirements to get the 'gift' you are requesting.

 

On its merits, this removes even more of the low level content and pushes the game forward towards Log In, Get all your Rewards, then complain about lack of end game content.

 

The Datacrons are a reward, per character, for exploring the maps and going to their locations. This should not change.

 

Please stop asking for ways to not play the game.

 

This is the most well thought out reply to this I've seen yet. I honestly never thought of the datacrons as a good means to get players to re-visit old content, at least for anything other than grabbing that datacron. The big issue with that line of thought is the recent push to accelerate players through that old content, as if its value has somehow been reduced over time. Add the increased commendation drop rate for class quests and you're going to be put on a path that causes you to bypass the vast majority of holocrons that would normally be in your path due to the prior incentive to side quest.

 

Its been settled prior to this that dev's have a hard-line stance on carrying stats (aside from Legacy gear) across any characters for any actions, so the line of thought is to at least have the datacrons added to your Legacy much like Achievements currently are. Those important stat pinatas are still valuable with this request, and should still encourage foot traffic to those areas even if its off the beaten path.

 

Which brings me to another point of this thread, to address some of the engine limitations that make some of these datacrons such a headache to acquire. Some mechanics, like the Tatooine balloon, are more for flavor than frustration. The problems exist when you're required to use bugged mechanics to achieve your goals, like using the MGGS or dealing with some incredibly problematic jumping sections. Datacrons should be tricky to get to for sure, just not due to some technical limitation or bug.

 

If there could be an adjustment to the holocron system that would both ease the pain of some of the less thought out locations while simultaneously encouraging more players to re-visit older locations I'd be all for it. Maybe a new class of lore-based item fetching, like the Seeker Droid and Microbinoc missions?