Slaxinexx Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not a general suggestion, but for pvp matches... so it goes into here. We need a penalty for leavers in normal warzones 10-49 and in the 50s. Either as a debuff, that you can't join x-matches when you leave or a deduction of valor and/or warzones commendation, which hurts a lot, not just a minor one. All those leavers really *** me off and that's the most likely only way to stop them doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJooblie Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I would support this however the amount of crashes to desktops that happen in this game especially for pvp, I don't want to be penalised for that. Once BW fixes CTD issues I'll support penalties for leaving WZ's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauerkraut Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Or just separate PM from PUG and less people will leave. Now we have even more PM vs PUG than before, why don't you get it? IT IS NOT FUN FOR PUGS TO PLAY AGAINST PREMADES! Why is it so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidechemist Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 They should add in some code that for the next x hours, the player's title is changed to 'Soandso the Quitter'. Would be funny, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midden Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 No, as posted above people have internet connection issues / PC lock ups etc. There are also other valid reasons for leaving a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Only if there is also a penalty for the following. Not calling out for help when a node is under attack. Not passing the ball. Running behind the ball carrier and never getting open for a pass. Not actually keeping eyes on an objective. 4 people fighting one guy in a corner while another area is calling for help. Being in a premade and refusing to communicate with the rest of the team. Being in a post 50 warzone with 0 expertise. Not knowing your basic directions like east and west and south. If the OP is allowed to have a penalty given to people who act in a way that makes him mad, then I should have that same privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkangl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I will just stop trying wont guard nodes wont try to take nodes and instead will go off on my own not helping the team at all your loss not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morath Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I wouldnt be against this if we could pick warzones. I get so sick of huttball popping every other warzone that I want to puke lol. So, many times if its huttball I leave at the beginning.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlamorel Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I think a good penalty would be to simply show the number of quits one has had in their public pvp stats. The other suggestions would work too (delay til you can queue again) but honestly I'd just like some sort of public notification, that way I can see it when I inspect people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I think a good penalty would be to simply show the number of quits one has had in their public pvp stats. The other suggestions would work too (delay til you can queue again) but honestly I'd just like some sort of public notification, that way I can see it when I inspect people. So what would you do if you were on a team with someone that quit several times? Quit? Probably not. You would continue to play as normal. Would you somehow be more prepared if/when they do quit? No. That information is not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssfbistimg Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not a general suggestion, but for pvp matches... so it goes into here. We need a penalty for leavers in normal warzones 10-49 and in the 50s. Either as a debuff, that you can't join x-matches when you leave or a deduction of valor and/or warzones commendation, which hurts a lot, not just a minor one. All those leavers really *** me off and that's the most likely only way to stop them doing so. i hope you are talking about those who quit after warzone heads south. I hate Novare Coast and I quit it everytikme i load in (well before match starts) Since I dont have a choice of which warzones I play I shouldn't be punished for leaving one I dont want to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcron Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why are you crying about this? If you get your 8 medals you are 40 or less come down then the winner. The only thing that should be done is pre made teams should face pre made teams 8/8 in non rated. If your facing 4/8 on a pre made then who cares. A few friends playing together maybe not even working together kinda group or working to stomp a mud hole in people. People pay just like you an I. Why should they be nailed for leaving a warzone? They paid to play the game not sit an wait because they left a warzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brool Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Or just separate PM from PUG and less people will leave. Now we have even more PM vs PUG than before, why don't you get it? IT IS NOT FUN FOR PUGS TO PLAY AGAINST PREMADES! Why is it so hard to understand? I enjoy playing against premades. I'd rather test my skills against a solid team than non organized people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartes Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I wouldnt be against this if we could pick warzones. I get so sick of huttball popping every other warzone that I want to puke lol. So, many times if its huttball I leave at the beginning.. 10000 x this! nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veniras Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I enjoy playing against premades. I'd rather test my skills against a solid team than non organized people. With a PUG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumuji Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Puulease:rolleyes: There's obviously people that quit after the first onslaught goes bad in pretty much every single WZ. These are people rage quitting obviously, not leaving involuntary. It's prety standard to apply some kind of debuff or short lockout for people that do this in other games and it needs to be in TOR as well. Like the side that loses the first fight needs to play catchup with sore losers dropping out and people slowly coming in to fill in the gaps in the middle of action. It pisses me off to no end that this game doesn't have that aspect plugged like others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirdapeswtor Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Penalizing WZ leavers with a debuff means nothing. People will just jump to other char since Bioware promoted the alt'ing thing a lot. If they'd make it a legacy debuff, people would just log char on other server or start playing a toon on one. Make it account wide and people drop their sub losing money for Bioware, or queue group finder for PVE since it is now available. No simple or fair solution exists currently imo (DC problems, Stunned at death and respawning, but can't move bug etc.) I'm one of the haters of Huttball. Whenever it pops I leave within 1-2 seconds. I make up my mind at the loading screen. I see it I go end of story. I also strongly support the option to queue for specific WZs, so we don't have to waste time doing something we consider not fun, and also be a detriment to the team in question since we are not motivated we'll play worse than a WZ we enjoy playing. I've never deliberately left any other WZ than Huttball, but hate it enough that it has become the consequence now. If they did force us to play WZs we don't enjoy that would again promote people who are playing to spoil it, deliberately doing nothing, afk'ing in some corner once they have a medal or two, or generally not caring about nodes/turrets and so on. Edited July 3, 2012 by kirdapeswtor adding stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy_anderson Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I've only quit WZs a couple of times. One of the times was yesterday. It was very clear early on that the "premade" that was running on our side had no clue what was going on. The highest valor rank they had was 28 (in 50 wz) and they had a mixture of recruit and rakata gear. The last straw was when one of the guys got the ball near our endzone (I pulled the guy in the end firepit) and this pvp noob tryed to carry the ball out of our endzone. The whole time I"m posting in the ops channel, "DOWN THE BALL....DOWN THE BALL...". Long story short, surprisingly he made it back across the fire pit to be ran through in a quick fashion. I couldn't help it. I'm not gonna carry a team like that or help them get a win. Sure, I'm not proud of leaving, but I had to for my own sanity. If you haven't bothered to pvp up to 50, don't bother doing it post 50. It isn't fair to you or the rest of your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryRow Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I hate the quitters on the other team. They are usually terrible players and I know right away that we have an easy victory. Kill them as they trickle in to mid/south. Don't hardly need to concentrate. Except, uh oh, they all left and got replaced with good players. Now I'm playing in lazy mode and suddenly having a hard time - wth!? Much better when our bad players quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryRow Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm one of the haters of Huttball. Whenever it pops I leave within 1-2 seconds. I make up my mind at the loading screen. I see it I go end of story. I also strongly support the option to queue for specific WZs, so we don't have to waste time doing something we consider not fun I think queuing for a specific warzone is a long way off. However, it seems like everyone has their least favorite map, and a good idea for the time being is to let people choose which one map they don't want to queue for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaxinexx Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Only if there is also a penalty for the following. Not calling out for help when a node is under attack. Not passing the ball. Running behind the ball carrier and never getting open for a pass. Not actually keeping eyes on an objective. 4 people fighting one guy in a corner while another area is calling for help. Being in a premade and refusing to communicate with the rest of the team. Being in a post 50 warzone with 0 expertise. Not knowing your basic directions like east and west and south. If the OP is allowed to have a penalty given to people who act in a way that makes him mad, then I should have that same privilege. Oh im not _that_ mad, but since BW implented the underpop loose in 30sec, that makes me mad. And your points are fine by me, but as you all now, winning the warzones is futile, as all people just need medals to gain valor and commendations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) With a PUG? LOL, this is me. I'm still stuck solo-queueing because my guild's basically died. I don't quit often, but I'd say I definitely quit out once match every other night on average. Usually, it's because I literally don't see people trying. Ranked implementation was the best thing for me, now at least I'm not trying to save pugs from the highest skilled/geared players Edited July 3, 2012 by islander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) A 15 minute debuff timer is all that's needed, reducing or deducting valor and comms is just... stupid. In SWG when Jedi had permadeath, it was a problem due to CTD and disconnects. My guild and several others that pvp'd alot basically stopped doing RWZ's as well, it's frustrating trying to get 8 ppl together so I stuck to regular WZ's now. Edited July 3, 2012 by Sookster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTHONICON Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Only if there is also a penalty for the following. Not calling out for help when a node is under attack. Not passing the ball. Running behind the ball carrier and never getting open for a pass. Not actually keeping eyes on an objective. 4 people fighting one guy in a corner while another area is calling for help. Being in a premade and refusing to communicate with the rest of the team. Being in a post 50 warzone with 0 expertise. Not knowing your basic directions like east and west and south. If the OP is allowed to have a penalty given to people who act in a way that makes him mad, then I should have that same privilege. I absolutely agree with this. Some rounds, it's better just to scrap that round and start over rather than wasting 12min in a Huttball game that you get 2 or 3 medals along with your loss. If I can tell 4/8 people have never even pvp'd before, or are running towards YOUR Huttball goal-line with the damned ball...yeah, I'm out. I'd rather leave and wait 5min than run around with people who are clueless when it comes to pvp. -Shakazulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardya Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I agree with the quitters. People should be able to leave if they don't like the WZ, if their teammates quit, if they are playing a premade and if they are playing better geared people or teams with better composition than their team and of course if their team is "bads." In short, every war zone should be decided within the first minute, if your team goes behind you should quit make and make up an excuse like the people in this thread. This will be great for PvP and really make it fun. We need more quitters. Remember, if you lose, find someone to blame, or blame Bioware, it's never your fault and you should never stick it out after a full minute. It's much smarter to quit and hope for a better team. Edited July 3, 2012 by richardya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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