Be carefull of who / what you read here. The gear is everything in this game. I can not recommend you get the Tank / defence absorb gear .... I have it all WH except 1 implant. You will still be 4 shotted and no more survivable than a Guardian in the DPS set. Except you will do 1/2 or 1/3 the damage and no more protection. It is unbelievable thay have designed the game like this. That the Tank Gear is USELESS in PVP. But believe it. It is true, I know I have 6 months grinding it. If you want to PVP as a guardian choose the DPS gear and build a hybrid Defence / Vig spec. I am too tired to contemplate re-gearing to the DPS suit but if you are just starting I suggest that.

Yeah talk about more waste , I cancel my account, a tad too late, was on the 180 cyclic so have pre-paid until Jan 2013. However, I am not going to spend this next 6 months to re-grind to DPS PVP gear. I am pretty much the last one left in the guild to turn off the lights.

Dear OP, could not agree more, i am in the same boat as you, except I have more WH gear than you, just one implant to get. Ive now stopped having any fun in PVP because my tank is fatally flawed in choosing the tank gear. No point to play anymore against the imbalance so i don't think I will ever get that last WH implant..

A well written opening post with good points.

Try Watchman then you won't be within 100.

Please don't nerf, i want to roll one.

I am free to play as badly as I want to in a WZ.

It's a great class for solo leveling, and the stealth is fun and useful. However, for end game Ops, you are percieved not to contribute to the team, because of tricky positioning and reliance on clunky upper hand mechanics, clunky energy mangement and OPS bosses having no advantage for stealth use making redundant your biggest opener that relies on stealth. All of the tricky things to manage that were fun in solo are a nightmare in a team. I.E the raid leader will want a button pushing Gunslinger for ranged DPS. Rather than a very squishy mellee runing behind the boss getting one shotted by the bosses AOE's

Because, tank role is not really needed in WZ's.

Agree it is dead. Defence Guardian in War Leader gear is fairly useless. The game is a DPS race. Have to re-roll or re-gear. Even in PVE a tank class is fairly useless for the day to day stuff. HM FP / Heroics - don't need tanks, I see that well geared DPS and Healers clears this content way faster and more effectively without a Tank. The only place Tanks are still needed is with OPS Bosses.

Actually, now that a lot of PVP Players have good gear, turning up in a WZ with nothing or PVE gear is about the same net effectiveness as turning up in recruit. You get 3 shotted both ways. Shrug

Scrapper: - Great and awesomely fun to play solo to 50. The stealth opener and positioning draw backs / skills work well for this mode of the game. - Ops and Group PVE nearly useless and not wanted - clunky positioning / knock back re-engage issues - low DPS. Stealth benefits and skills arranged around them are useless in OPs FP bosses. - PVP scrapper is now fairly useless to the team - the learning curve is too steep for a new 50 Scrapper to start PVP against geared players. No fun at all ........ You don't see any new scappers in recruit gear in WZ's, they all go Sawbones as fast as possible, that tells you all you need to know. - Nerfing the giggle also hurt.

1) How do you think your Guardian Spec is perceived by other players? Defence Guardian. - DPS the lowest of all tanks. Proved by MOX parser to be 20- 30% less than Shadow tank. Raid leaders who use MOX know this. My guild leaves this advance class out of OPS with close enrage timers, if the other tanks are available. Especially in the case of Nightmare pilgrim. - Tanking ability (threat + defence) is ok and comparable to other tanks. 2) How do you percieve your own spec. Defence Guardian - Tank gear - Fun to play. - DPS too weak compared to other tanks, therefore prone to be excluded from OPs in compeditive Guilds if other Tank type available. - PVP Defence Guardian is a bad joke - Defence spec in tank gear has little survivability to balance and offset the weak DPS - to compensate most players use Soresu hybrid with DPS gear so they can guard but still kill - this tells you all you need to know...... that the Defence Guardian advanced class with tank gear, option, for players is broken / unviable in PVP. Note: - AOE threat is a complete non-issue and I wish other players would stop bringing this non issue up. - DPS being so low is this advance classes biggest issue. - Also as others say, the top tier of the defence tree needs work to make it more desirable ... why are the good defence things unremmitting and commanding AWE in the Vig tree? Why did you nerf damage of hilt strike and Guardian slash? Thanks for asking for feedback.

Just turning off the lights,locking the door at BW, and going home would fix it.

Clearly a bunch of incompetants at BW. 1) PTS testers pleaded not to go live with 1.3 as it was BUGGY. They were ignored. 2) Every patch they nerf - and thus piss off whole swathes of players.