bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) Let me start by saying I'm a rage spec almost fully bm geared juggernaut. With that being said I have had plenty of good games AND plenty of bad ones. Games where I'm top dps with the most medals and not so top dps with an average amount of medals... When I get beat by a certain class a few times I don't immediately assume that certain class is op, I was simply outplayed. I was a tank spec juggernaut before and after getting my *** handed to me on many occasions, I came on here and qq'ed like everyone else that does after a few bad games. After doing some research I found that people have succeeded very well with the immortal spec. I took their advice, tried it, and just couldn't figure it out. So I switched back to rage, the spec that I had pretty much been from lvl 1, so you could say I'm pretty familiar with that particular build. That all being said, I get beat by the people with the same class as me, same spec as me. I get beat by every other class in the game. But I also beat every class in the game. You catch me off guard, you have your cool downs and I don't, chances are you win. Same goes for me, catching you off guard when I have my cool downs and you don't. So many posts here claiming all these "op" classes when people just can't handle the fact that well... That guy/girl just simply outplayed you. They assume that because they are fully geared, they shouldn't get beat down just like the rest of the people in the warzone. Put it simply, the game is pretty damn balanced in pvp. Start getting used to the fact that some people are better at playing this game than you are. And/or people found your weakness and know how to exploit it. Edit: Just to prove a point, since this thread started, almost all classes have been claimed to be "OP". Edited April 23, 2012 by bennyhana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebado Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 You're wrong. Clearly every class that has ever killed me is OP and every class I have ever played is UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 You're wrong. Clearly every class that has ever killed me is OP and every class I have ever played is UP. You're absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfVey Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 You're wrong. Clearly every class that has ever killed me is OP and every class I have ever played is UP. True. I played a class that killed me once, the paradox crashed the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddley Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Put it simply, the game is pretty damn balanced in pvp. I can't believe I read this far. You should start with that. Less people will waste their time reading your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebado Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I can't believe I read this far. You should start with that. Less people will waste their time reading your post. I assume you were once killed in PvP. What a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 I can't believe I read this far. You should start with that. Less people will waste their time reading your post. You should read the sentence after that, it might blow your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blloodbane Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I have to agree with the OP, about things that are OP, because I was in the same boat.. Oh I came here uber ticked off frustrated to my hair was being pulled out... I could have swore this one class and player was either OP or convinced they had an exploit...... apparently I have been schooled enough by people that it was a scoundral? Anyways... I found out that class is tough for my class... and I was in the same qq'ing boat as you... I started to bit lip and think about what they did, what could I do, and picked up a few things and tried things... still a devil of time killing this one player, if ever, but I will say this... this one player has made me the bane of her (her char is female) class for the not so good, cus I tear them to shreds now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maticlandarr Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Agree with OP. Refreshing to hear a rational voice here. And sad that so many people dontbunderstand this simple concept. Also this game is better balan ed than most. Less so after 1.2 perhaps, but still very balanced for a new mmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Apparently just rolling a marauder made me a MUCH better player, because suddenly I'm doing much better than I did on my concealment operative! I mean, if the game is balanced, then a miraculous infusion of spontaneous skill is the only explanation, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarna Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) You can patch the game, but you can't patch the players. I wouldn't mind a Marauder "nerf" tbh, just so that we'd see less of them in warzones. The general roles of AC's and balance of the game don't really change with buffs/nerfs (unless they're DRASTIC, and no, nothing was really DRASTIC to the magnitude that I'm talking about up until now). I won't get emotional over x class getting this or y class losing that. I'll adapt, still play the game, have fun, stomp baddies, regardless of what goes on in the forums. It's a lot more healthy that way, IMO. Edited April 23, 2012 by Swarna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 after the fix to consumables, there were no overpowered classes. there were overpowered players. i think some of the changes that bioware has made has resulted in some classes being underpowered, which is causing others to appear overpowered. but good players will still perform way above everyone else regardless, simply because they understand things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Apparently just rolling a marauder made me a MUCH better player, because suddenly I'm doing much better than I did on my concealment operative! I mean, if the game is balanced, then a miraculous infusion of spontaneous skill is the only explanation, right? Maybe you just weren't very good at playing an operative. But that never crossed your mind cause you had to have been the best thing since sliced bread right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Maybe you just weren't very good at playing an operative. But that never crossed your mind cause you had to have been the best thing since sliced bread right? Funny, since the forum community seems to think marauders are harder to play than operatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digtahk Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Apparently just rolling a marauder made me a MUCH better player, because suddenly I'm doing much better than I did on my concealment operative! I mean, if the game is balanced, then a miraculous infusion of spontaneous skill is the only explanation, right? If this bad was really topping boards with his marauder he wouldn't be on here whining he is just hoping that marauders get nerfed so he will have another reason to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 If this bad was really topping boards with his marauder he wouldn't be on here whining he is just hoping that marauders get nerfed so he will have another reason to complain. Or maybe I like balance instead of OP and UP classes all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odahviin Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Let me start by saying I'm a rage spec almost fully bm geared juggernaut. With that being said I have had plenty of good games AND plenty of bad ones. Games where I'm top dps with the most medals and not so top dps with an average amount of medals... When I get beat by a certain class a few times I don't immediately assume that certain class is op, I was simply outplayed. I was a tank spec juggernaut before and after getting my *** handed to me on many occasions, I came on here and qq'ed like everyone else that does after a few bad games. After doing some research I found that people have succeeded very well with the immortal spec. I took their advice, tried it, and just couldn't figure it out. So I switched back to rage, the spec that I had pretty much been from lvl 1, so you could say I'm pretty familiar with that particular build. That all being said, I get beat by the people with the same class as me, same spec as me. I get beat by every other class in the game. But I also beat every class in the game. You catch me off guard, you have your cool downs and I don't, chances are you win. Same goes for me, catching you off guard when I have my cool downs and you don't. So many posts here claiming all these "op" classes when people just can't handle the fact that well... That guy/girl is simply better than me. They assume that because they are fully geared, they shouldn't get beat down just like the rest of the people in the warzone. Put it simply, the game is pretty damn balanced in pvp. Start getting used to the fact that some people are better at playing this game than you are. Thank you for letting me know that the entire pvp forum isn't full of childish whiners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 You're wrong. Clearly every class that has ever killed me is OP and every class I have ever played is UP. I agree! Nerf those tankasins and good pyrotech PT's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odahviin Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Or maybe I like balance instead of OP and UP classes all over the place. are you kidding? with the buff to healing that you guys got in 1.2 you are nigh unkillable with decent dps. GG dude you are the pot calling the kettle black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Funny, since the forum community seems to think marauders are harder to play than operatives. So a "harder" class to play makes it easier to win with? Great logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 So a "harder" class to play makes it easier to win with? Great logic. How much hand-holding do you need here to come up with the right conclusion? Marauders are too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 How much hand-holding do you need here to come up with the right conclusion? Marauders are too strong. They're not. I beat that class just as much as it beats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 They're not. I beat that class just as much as it beats me. Then we're back to the beginning and simply rolling a marauder took me from being able to hold my own against most classes as an operative to being able to faceroll anyone I meet as a marauder. If it's balanced, then apparently some videogame deity saw fit to bestow upon me orders of magnitude greater skill at SWTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 Then we're back to the beginning and simply rolling a marauder took me from being able to hold my own against most classes as an operative to being able to faceroll anyone I meet as a marauder. If it's balanced, then apparently some videogame deity saw fit to bestow upon me orders of magnitude greater skill at SWTOR. You can hide behind whatever conclusion helps you sleep at night. It won't change the fact that there's a real good possibility that you just aren't as good at playing an operative as you are a marauder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItGetsAllOver Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Out of all the classes I've played I feel like Sniper/Gunslinger and Marauder/Sentinel are by far the two "OP" PvP ACs. Very high DPS, high survivability, and good CC. This is probably why most people get the impression that these classes are OP. A halfway decent Mara/Sent can chew through several players before dying. The same with Sniper/Gunslinger. Played intelligently they can mop the floor with almost any AC. As far as control in PvP goes, it's hands down Juggernaut/Guardian. This is part of the reason people think these dudes are OP. With the broken resolve system, a Jugg/Guard can literally toss you around like a ragdoll. Powertech/Vanguard is a close second. Go play any non-50 WZ and you'll be shocked at the number of Sniper/GS and Mara/Sent players leveling up. There's a reason for that and it's not because they're extra skilled at playing those classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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