ImSomeSorcerer Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I recently ran into a argument with people on general chat about if Sith are technically allowed to have lovers or love. My reasoning was no because in my opinion Love = Attachment = Weakness = Exploitation or Loss of Power. I know the Jedi order has rules against love or lovers. I am not claiming that Sith being in love doesn't happen because obviously there are some cases. But rather I would like to have a discussion on whether they are technically allows to as Sith. Opinions, Comments, etc. are apericated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashencyberspeed Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 They are allowed to have love. But I think it's discouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImSomeSorcerer Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 That is what it seems, but I think it is more of a traditional rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AydenStorm Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I am sure many of them do have lovers. But your average Sith is so obsessed with his own personal power and strength, having an actual "love" would only prove a weakness for your enemies to exploit. Look what being married did to Anakin for an example lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Both sides are not against love, what they are against is the consequences that it brings. Jedi= Fear what could come from love, tragedy, fall to the darkside, unable to control emotions. Sith= View it as a weakness. But really thats not always the case, Anakin/Padme were doing fine up until Anakin started having the visions. Kento/Mallie Marek (Galen Marek's parents) did fine. In fact Kento showed, that if you are strong enough with your emotions you won't turn to the darkside seeing as his wife was killed he seemed to be fine when he fought Vader. Edited March 20, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annedromeda Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 In the Fate of the Jedi series, they are more liberal, I guess, and the attitude on both sides is now that of "Do not love anything or anyone so much that you cannot bear to have it taken from you," which would be where the weakness comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiKai Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So for Jedi it becomes "We can have meaningless mating with people as long as we don't get attached. Nice. Gonna have a ton of one-night stands and leave ladies disappointed and angry." With Sith it's more like; "I'm going to screw anyone I want to. When I want to. If they have my kid, I don't care. So long as she doesn't come lookin to me to be some kinda father figure. Then I'll have to chop'er head off." But these aren't always true. Malgus had someone he loved, then killed her, so that no one could use her against him and to give himself self-hatred of such strength he could use it to fuel the Dark Side and make himself stronger. There will be Sith who will fraternize and go mate with people for the pure pleasure of it. Falling in love may be discouraged, but they won't hang you for it. They just expect you to serve the Empire first and keep your thing in your pants while on the job. If you play around in TOR, you definitely have the option and chances to fraternize with NPC's and disappear offscreen to get a little nookie action with them. And not just Empire, but Republic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westraz Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 the Dark side is all about the power of hate, love and hate.. well you see what I am getting at? how ever is there a rule? no, no rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCanUseTheForce Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I was under the impression that passion fueled a Sith. Therefor, love, hate, anger, fear...they all add to a Sith's power. It's not a weakness, but another source of potential rage or focus or purpose. In the game, my Sith shags whenever he can and will eventually have a relationship. A sadistic one, but a relationship nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImSomeSorcerer Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yes my reasoning was no because love can be used as a powerful tool to destroy someone with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorJorus Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 it's a double edged sword for the Sith in general, it provides more emotions and empowers you to fight with more intensity for their protection or whatever. However, it also provides an enemy a way of getting to you and exploiting you. Motto: Find a lover, then kill them to stop the exploitation, then fight for them and blame your enemies for having to kill your lover because they would do dirty underhand tactics like that to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImSomeSorcerer Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 it's a double edged sword for the Sith in general, it provides more emotions and empowers you to fight with more intensity for their protection or whatever. However, it also provides an enemy a way of getting to you and exploiting you. Motto: Find a lover, then kill them to stop the exploitation, then fight for them and blame your enemies for having to kill your lover because they would do dirty underhand tactics like that to win. That makes sense, I can see the good reasoning behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDraxter Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Motto: Find a lover, then kill them to stop the exploitation, then fight for them and blame your enemies for having to kill your lover because they would do dirty underhand tactics like that to win. you got that motto from Darth Malgus right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZirusZero Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Most of them don't have lovers because most start using the dark side and looking ugly with 0 sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Both sides are not against love, what they are against is the consequences that it brings. Jedi= Fear what could come from love, tragedy, fall to the darkside, unable to control emotions. Sith= View it as a weakness. But really thats not always the case, Anakin/Padme were doing fine up until Anakin started having the visions. Kento/Mallie Marek (Galen Marek's parents) did fine. In fact Kento showed, that if you are strong enough with your emotions you won't turn to the darkside seeing as his wife was killed he seemed to be fine when he fought Vader. This pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelousWang Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Love causes weakness, in that you often put the needs of said love above what is best (or often the most logical action) for yourself. Sith is all about being 100% self-centered with a minor exception/concern for the continuation of the Sith Order (or they wouldn't bother training apprentices). In game wise: The Sith Warrior being in love with Dark Side Jeasa is correct example of how Sith should love, because he is still willing to sacrifice her for his own needs and such. Never risking himself for her. Whilst Dark Side Jeasa's love of the Sith Warrior is against the Sith code, because she would die to stop you from any form of harm/discomfort, with little to no regard for herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillestbro Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 They are allowed to have love. But I think it's discouraged. I agree, but I don't think it's discouraged. It's just not talked about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLonelyTusken Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 They are fully allowed to have romances, and love, but it is discouraged. Having love doesn't make you any less Sith though, as we see in Darth Malgus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImSomeSorcerer Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 I still think it is a interesting subject because it's so debatable, because there's is not enough to say its one way or the other, but what it is pretty much coming down to I think (From reading all the replies) a combination of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westraz Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 you know I just thought of something... Sith rule is "you most kill the one you love" if true then yes Sith can love, then kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RixoFutu Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Of course not! They multiply by dividing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 In reality, you really can't help who you end up loving. I imagine this is true in SW too, or at least it should be. It is indeed a double edged sword for a Sith. Then again, what if that Sith fell in love with a Sith as powerful or more powerful than you? What if a Sith Lady fell in love with the Emperor & vice versa? That concern could be negated quite a bit. The Jedi, looks like they just view it as all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemmingLeader Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Love? Lovers? Just because one group, the Jedi, made a conscious decision to castrate themselves, doesn't mean it applies to the Sith. *If* you want to go by KOTOR / SWTOR settings, yes, it is fine to have relationship as a Sith. The evidence is early in the game on Korriban with the Sith Warrior / Inquisitor. The quest to be able to find the remains of an academy guard leader's son? You can find and bring the body of the high ranking guard's son to him. Naturally, only Sith are allowed on Academy grounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrei Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 The New Jedi Order founded by Luke Skywalker allowed Jedi to marry, he did so too with his lover, former emperor's hand Mara Jade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHobbit Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 well there is a difference between sex and love, I can see no long term relationships. n For a good movie on family and bad people , watch the Usual Suspects.(sp) and kiser Sosay(sp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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