Ch_Zero Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwiseee Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I hope you never become a game designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaphik Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sounds like someone got beat in a one-on-one fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cho_Ronzon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Because that would be awesome for game balance wouldn't it? Jog on nub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geewiz Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Agree with OP, and force using classes should only be unlocked using legacy system. Current state of game is beyond travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch_Zero Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 I'm trying to understand in comparison to movies and lore etc. It's all Sith, Darth, and the emperor etc. the Emperor is a force user. the only significant one you hear about in Lore who was a non-force user was mandalore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendaric Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O That doesn't work for simple balancing reasons, you can't have alpha classes in a multiplayer setting. The game you're looking for is called "Force Unleashed"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Agree with OP, and force using classes should only be unlocked using legacy system. Yes because that clearly worked so well for SWG.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armaso Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I remember a game that did that once...I had one of those Jedi by this same username. Fun for us that had them, not for those that didn't. A few BHs were the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saurakk Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O I agree! Lets just make one class and let everyone play the same class that is the most powerful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dria Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Your argument is wrong I do play Sith Inquisitor but I still say Your argument is wrong reason? Being able to tap in the living force and being able to use the force does not make you "God" even though many force users in recorded past have thought so. You still die, there are loads of ways to even the odds against the force users, here are just few to point out: PoisonsDrugsNormal bullets ( not energy weapons ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigheadbrandon Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O "king of terrible ideas" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Force Users ARE more powerful. Does that mean they do more damage? Sometimes. Force power doesn't make you omnipotent, all powerful, so you can just wave your hand and deflect everything that is shot at you. I agree with an earlier poster. You must have lost a 1v1 duel to a smuggler or agent or maybe even a trooper. Seriously, OP. Some characters in the Star Wars universe DO use projectile weapons with solid ammunition JUST to kill Force users. Wrenga Jixton uses twin slug thrower pistols for just such a case. As does Boba Fett on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAVM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 You just have to use your imagination and pretend that all the non-force players and elites in the game are exceptional beings that could stand up to a force user. I thought one way they could have balanced the lore with class balance was to make non-force users less powerful, but have an extra companion out with them (in groups of 4, they could still have one companion instead of none). After all, jedi often go around in pairs, but troopers would have a squadon (in this case, three). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWImara Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I assume OP was just trolling, no one can think this would be worthwhile game design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richoshist Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 As long as they balance the classes, I'll take care of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyceratops Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O The Bounty Hunter and Trooper both have armor which offers heavy protections, a ton of training/experience/talent, and the like - it's likely that a fantastic commando could beat at least your average Jedi. The Smuggler and the Agent are both classes which rely on intelligent, dirty tricks and concealment, and a Jedi/Sith is just as open to backstabbing or a bullet to the head shot by a sniper a mile away as anyone else is. Also, if you think about it, they could in fact be Force users; it would explain why our characters are all amazing and able to beat Jedi/Sith. Anakin was an amazing pilot just because he was so strong in the force (and naturally talented as a pilot, but he also had superhuman reflexes and all that.). The only hole there is that pretty much every force user is made to go to the Sith Academy (and to die if they don't turn out to be powerful). But I guess one or two could slip off of the radar (it's obvious that my SI and your SI are the same character with the same story - just two different versions shown to the player. So while we both have SIs, lore-wise there is only one SI.). As for how most of the higher-ups in the Empire are Sith, if a non-Force user does their job right they won't attract undue attention (unless they're a bounty hunter, in which case they're not really under the influence of the Empire -- at least, not as much as the IA/SI/SW). *shrug* Edited March 14, 2012 by Flyceratops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaMayhem Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Order 66 is clear indication that force users are far from invincible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjfett Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 The lack in understanding on force users vs non-force users in this thread shows that not everyone has to be a star wars enthusiast to play the game. There are plenty of documented cases in Star Wars lit that shows nonforce users killing jedi....the jedi purge is a perfect example of this as Clone Troopers were ordered to kill jedi. Boba Fett is another example. Wedge Antilles was a nonforce sensitive pilot that rivaled any force sensitive pilot he flew with or against. This is before we even consider the fact that our characters in game are not "average", but rather the top 0.5% of the entire faction's population in skills and abilities. Then we have to consider that many jedi think they are awesome and can kill anything, then run smack into the Vanguard wall in PVP and die a pitiful death because they don't know how to play their class. Finally, we end with ....balance anyone? Get real OP. Your post has no basis in game, or in any SW cannon for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XOrionX Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) OP is assuming that every force user is as powerful as Anakin/Luke/Obi-wan/Qui-gon/Maul/Palpatine etc.... There are many varying degrees of force power. In a fight any one of those guys would straight wreck your character. Just sayin. As if a blaster bolt has never killed a jedi. You have got to be joking. Edited March 14, 2012 by XOrionX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GellonSW Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 OP didn't watch Revenge of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galbatorrix Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Uh, Force Users were taken out by Troopers in EIII! Also, this is an era where force users are every where. I'm sure there are defenses that were created to combat them! Also, Force Smorsh, a Shotgun blast to the back would kill anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Answer to title of thread: No. Reason: Far, far too obvious and to many to mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jontyld Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Its an mmo, there needs to be balance. if you want to play a god-like jedi sim, play force unleashed or something. Aside from that, I'm glad force users don't walk around like the demi-gods that show up in the more fan fiction like EU books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galadimana Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sith inquisitor Warrior Jedi Sage All force users should be powerful Secondary is Bounty hunter They can stand up to force users and beat weak ones, but Shouldn't beat strong ones. Agent / trooper / smuggler are kind of minion roles. How can they match a force user? unless they can resist the force since they have force potential themselves!?! ;O Also, anyone who gets shot with a physical projectile should have a VERY good chance of dying immediately in any game, because that's reality, right? Reiterating what someone already said, please don't become a game designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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