Cancrizans Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Now that it has been confirmed that getting a character of any race to 50 will allow you to roll that race as any class, I have to ask: Bioware, what are you thinking? This is a HORRIBLE idea. It makes a total mockery of Star Wars lore, and will completely ruin the game's atmosphere and integrity. Simply from the perspective of a Republic player, I do not want to see a bunch of Purebloods and Chiss running around on Carrick Station, it will just look completely stupid. It is lore breaking in the worst way and for the WORST reason: convenience. I for one am willing to forgo this "feature" until REAL new races are released...whether that be in the near future or several years down the road...or frankly...never. This decision is so bad and so detrimental to the integrity of the game and even, given the fact that these games are being used these days as a source of "canon", to the Star Wars franchise as a whole, that this is something I would NEVER want to see in the game for any reason whatsoever. For those who may think "well you have to have the race at level 50 to make one..." you should realize that that is an extremely minor limitation which will not significantly change the fact that you will be seeing an impossible number of these cross faction races running around once the patch hits. I personally will not be able to suspend disbelief, and I ask that Bioware SERIOUSLY reconsiders this move, both for the health of the game and Star Wars as a whole. Star Wars is too significant and admired an IP to trifle with things like this simply so you can provide people with a "perk". EDIT: Since so many people seem to want to pick and choose which aspects of this they want to respond to so they can have the last word without actually addressing the issue, and keep bringing up the notion that "there will always be X number of any race that switches to the other side etc. etc." without reading the 2 or 3 posts I made explaining why that is meaningless in the context of these changes, I will state reason that is so here. Allowing that there will always be a percentage of a race that does not follow the normal political or ideological affiliations the majority holds...that is NOT what will be represented in the game if this change goes through. What we WILL see is an INORDINATE and UNBELIEVABLY large number of cross faction races, MUCH larger than anything that could EVER be explained by the idea that there will always be some who change sides. That argument holds no water. Edited March 5, 2012 by Cancrizans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) source? Edited March 5, 2012 by Roechacca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawtree Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 source? http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219843p1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkz Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Except that, particularly in something like the SW universe, there are always members of a given race/faction/species/what have you that may not agree with their leaders and would prefer to join the opposing faction. So it makes just as much sense for a specific member of a given race to serve the race their government is opposing as to server the one it is affiliated with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logisitcs Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sometimes I really wonder about you posters.... You know there's something called "free-will", if a Chiss doesn't want to be a part of the Empire or the Ascendancy he can defect, he has something called "choice" - do you know what that it is, cause I don't think you do. There are no nano-machines or implants inside him controlling his thoughts so please, shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Now that it has been confirmed that getting a character of any race to 50 will allow you to roll that character as any class, I have to ask: Bioware, what are you thinking? This is a HORRIBLE idea. It makes a total mockery of Star Wars lore, and will completely ruin the game's atmosphere and integrity. Simply from the perspective of a Republic player, I do not want to see a bunch of Purebloods and Chiss running around on Carrick Station, it will just look completely stupid. It is lore breaking in the worst way and for the WORST reason: convenience. I for one am willing to forgo this "feature" until REAL new races are released...whether that be in the near future or several years down the road...or frankly...never. This decision is so bad and so detrimental to the integrity of the game and even, given the fact that these games are being used these days as a source of "canon", to the Star Wars franchise as a whole, that this is something I would NEVER want to see in the game for any reason whatsoever. For those who may think "well you have to have the race at level 50 to make one..." you should realize that that is an extremely minor limitation which will not significantly change the fact that you will be seeing an impossible number of these cross faction races running around once the patch hits. I personally will not be able to suspend disbelief, and I ask that Bioware SERIOUSLY reconsiders this move, both for the health of the game and Star Wars as a whole. Star Wars is too significant and admired an IP to trifle with things like this simply so you can provide people with a "perk". Not witstanding the fact that you are applying hyperbolic drama...... You are not the IP and Lore police, Lucas Arts is. If Lucas Arts approves it, that's good enough for me, being as they own the IP, the lore trademarks and they decide what is/is-not part of the lore and the IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostvein Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 This completely befuddles me. I spend a fair amount of time on these forums and I don't recall anyone anywhere asking for this. Its possible I might have missed it but this really came out of the blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1219843p1.html Thanks. I don't personally like it. I think they should have thought this one out a bit more as it makes little sense. SWG let you fully respect from a nobody to a Jedi or Sith as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 You have no idea idea what you're talking about. There's nothing in any Star Wars lore that says members of a race can't belong to a different society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 This completely befuddles me. I spend a fair amount of time on these forums and I don't recall anyone anywhere asking for this. Its possible I might have missed it but this really came out of the blue. befuddle is a great word. I'm gonna add that as my current state of mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Considering all the races are different colored humans with the most exotic difference being tentacles out of the head/face, or horns, does it really matter that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancrizans Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Apparently you can also use other classes abilities as a "perk" in PvE...there is video of a Smuggler using Force Choke and one of the Force using classes using Flame Thrower. While I understand there will be limitations on this, I find it completely ridiculous and in fact insulting that they even thought to include this kind of nonsense. After waiting for this game for years, I cannot express how disappointed I am with this. It says to me that Bioware really has no respect for the integrity of the Star Wars IP, and is more interested in creating a Star Wars flavored carnival ride than a serious Star Wars MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancrizans Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Considering all the races are different colored humans with the most exotic difference being tentacles out of the head/face, or horns, does it really matter that much? Yes, because it is completely against lore and canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDTC Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 sure they could technically do it but its just stupid to see a bunch of pureblood jedi. things can be cool if theyre the exception, but when they become the norm (a la darth title) it completely devalues any sense of originality and it becomes banal and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Its a game....besides there were thousands of jedi running around on SWG when jedi in that era are suppose to be non-existent, didn't see anyone complainin about that(I mean ya obviously at first, but then it died down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roechacca Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 You have no idea idea what you're talking about. There's nothing in any Star Wars lore that says members of a race can't belong to a different society. Wookiees are always put on a leash at Hutt parties and can't be card carrying members. Sand People are never allowed at Jedi conventions. There's racism everywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 There's nothing in any Star Wars lore that says members of a race can't belong to a different society. Yeah not sure what the OP is talking about either. The Lore is filled with different races working for different groups, or no group at all. Sure pure blood Sith on the republic side would be rare, but not unheard of. Same for Chris or any other race really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes, because it is completely against lore and canon. and? It's "lore and canon" until lore and canon is changed, which apparently it just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldwyn Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Its a game....besides there were thousands of jedi running around on SWG when jedi in that era are suppose to be non-existent, didn't see anyone complainin about that(I mean ya obviously at first, but then it died down). Isn't that game dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenonParsec Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 what is up with these RP neckbeards? Look, BW is giving the OPTION to roll new classes as different species, if you don't like it, then don't do it. If it offends your delicate lore sensibilities that other players choose less-than-canon species for their class, TOO BAD. It's a video game, not a movie. this thread is as obtuse as the guy objecting to the crystal alignment restrictions being lifted. Please go police police your RP server, not the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancrizans Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Sometimes I really wonder about you posters.... You know there's something called "free-will", if a Chiss doesn't want to be a part of the Empire or the Ascendancy he can defect, he has something called "choice" - do you know what that it is, cause I don't think you do. There are no nano-machines or implants inside him controlling his thoughts so please, shut up The argument you and the above poster made is one I have seen several times...the only problem with it is it doesn't relate to the reality of the game. Of course there may be SOME members of any racial group that my defect or cross sides...but not to the degree that will be represented in game if Bioware goes through with this. There will be FAR too many of these cross faction races running around for ANYONE to imagine it is a case of some realistic number of dissenters switching allegiances. There is no way you can support what we will see in game with this kind of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yes, because it is completely against lore and canon. No it's not. Show me one single source that backs up that claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousestalker Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 To ignore the post and answer the question in the header, here are the top things that Bioware Austin employees are thinking: 10. Should we make an ortolan plushy?9. Boy am I glad I'm no longer a CSR at Dell.8. If the Enterprise fought a Star Destroyer, who would win?7. What if Kirk were in charge of the Enterprise?6. Are there pink Sith?5. Do I have time to swing by Ruta Maya on the way home?4. Salt Lick vs Iron Works, who wins?3. Rainbow light sabers...2. Hey, who stole my Yoda doll, err action figure?and1. What's playing at the Alamo Drafthouse Friday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 ......Chiss running around on Carrick Station, it will just look completely stupid. It is lore breaking in the worst way and for the WORST reason: convenience..... No it's not -----> Chiss Specifically: "Some reports indicated that there were no Chiss Jedi and it was not known whether there was a Force-tradition within Chiss society.[1] However, this did not appear to be the case as there were at least two[18] known Force users amongst the Chiss.[21] -- Refferences at the Starwars Wiki link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Isn't that game dead? Not the point, the point is when it was around there was lore breaking issues(all these jedi running around)...so whats so different here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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