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Some SW specialist elaborate why the stormtroopers suck so much and get one shotted in armor by everything. And no it's not just because of the cloning.

 

If you watch the CGI Clone Wars Series's there is an episode explaining that the Clones being produced were becoming weaker due to a lack of the original Jango Fett DNA.

 

I would guess the degradation became worse over the twenty odd years from RotS to RotJ and they never found suitable replacement DNA.

 

Also 'Normal' Humans were later allowed to join the Stormtrooper Corps under Palpatines Reign, I guess cheaper than paying for clones and the DNA had run out?

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Except it is canon, and he is alive. Which unfortunately lead to him being used as part of Traviss' pro-Mando anti-Jedi agenda.

 

Lucas has only said that as far as he's concerned, nothing happens after RoTJ, and that Fett dies in the Sarlac. This does not mean that anything post RoTJ is non-canon. That's not how the canon for Star Wars works.

G,T,C,S and N canon, are only there to keep the canon as much in continuity as possible, not to have a Star Wars multi-verse like Star Trek or Marvel/DC.

 

However he has not made a mandate stating that dead, which would obviously affect Fett's survival outside of the movies, like he did when it came to there being more than what few Wookiee Jedi that came into existence before he said an emphatic no to Wookiee Jedi. Which means that those few that did exist, are now the only examples ever of Wookiee Jedi in canon.

 

The point is, Lucas can say that Fett didn't survive and shouldn't be shown beyond RoTJ, but he hasn't. He's not stupid when it comes to money, and Fett is a big part of making money when it comes to the franchise, and has been since he first appeared in it.

 

To sum up, Fett surviving is canon and the only thing those who disagree with it can do is either accept or continue to wail against it.

 

If Lucas ever flat out states that Fett was killed after his drop into the Sarlac pit, that would make everything involving him N-Canon and require the biggest retcon of the EU.

Not to mention it would p-off more fans than Jar-Jar Binks existence combined with Vader's additional "NOOOOOoooo" for Blu-Ray RoTJ.

 

HE HAS

 

Here are a bunch of quotes from George Lucas

"In the case of Boba Fett's death, had I known he was gonna turn into such a popular character, I probably would've made it a little bit more exciting. Boba Fett was just another one of the minions, another one of the bounty hunters and badguys. But, he became such a favorite of everybody's that, for having such a small part, uh he had a very large presence. And now that his history has been told in the first trilogy, y'know, it makes it even more of a misstep that we wouldn't make more out of the event of his defeat, because most people don't believe he died anyway. I'd contemplated putting in that extra shot in where he climbs out of the hole, but y'know I figure that's . . . it doesn't quite fit, in the end."

 

Source: Return of the Jedi DVD Commentary, 33:01, 9/04

 

"I don't know why. [Laughs]. I'm mystified by it. He's a mysterious character. He's a provocative character. He seems like an all powerful character, except he gets killed. Although he's gotten killed, the people who write the books, and everything, and the comics say 'we can't kill him, we gotta bring him back, we can't let him die!'"

 

 

 

Source: MTV re: Boba Fett's popularity

 

 

Lucas reconsidered going back and glamorizing the death of bounty hunter Boba Fett, a secondary character who became a cult favorite. He considered "having Boba Fett survive and crawl out of the" mouth of the sand creature in Jedi. "But that doesn't quite fit in the end."

 

Source: USA Today, 9/04, interview with Mike Snider

 

 

George Lucas AND Leeland Chee have BOTH said that nothing after Return of the Jedi is canon anyway.

 

TOTAL FILM: "Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"

 

LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

 

Now alone you might think that is an off hand comment but Leeland Chee confirms that nothing after Return of the Jedi is considered G-canon

 

This is from the Official Star Wars forums where Leeland Chee answers the question

 

Is there anything post-Return of the Jedi that is G level?

 

Not in the database, no. If there is anything anywhere, only George knows.

 

 

So you have Boba Fett dying in the movies, dying in the offiical novelization, dying in the script and George Lucas saying SEVERAL TIMES that Boba Fett is dead.

 

 

Also you are missunderstanding how the Canon system works. It is only considered Canon if it is in the EU and it doesn't contradict anything that is G-canon.

 

So saying Boba fett is alive is contradicting G-canon as I stated We see him die and George Lucas says he is dead.

 

 

edit: Just because it's licensed by Lucas Film doesn't make it canon. Star Wars Masters of Tera Kasi isn't canon, heck a ton of stuff that is officially licensed by George lucas isn't canon. The man loves money and just becuase there is a book saying he escaped (which predates the current Canon system btw) doesn't make it canon.

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According to the post above Star wars ends at the 6'th movie and begins at the first. So this isn't a Star Wars game as George Lucas didn't write KotoR. He didn't write about Revan and Malak so they dont exist either!

 

Drew Karpyshyn was the writer.

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According to the post above Star wars ends at the 6'th movie and begins at the first. So this isn't a Star Wars game as George Lucas didn't write KotoR. He didn't write about Revan and Malak so they dont exist either!

 

Drew Karpyshyn was the writer.

 

it's not clear if things before TPM is canon or not. They have flipped flopped about that but everything after is 100% NOT canon.

 

 

Again it doesn't mean it's not Star Wars if it's not canon it just means that it's not the 100% official story.

 

Nothing stopping you from enjoying non canon stuff. I love Star Wars Battlefront and that is clearly not Canon. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.

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Which death do you think was the most pathetic in the 6 Star Wars movies?

 

For me:

 

-All Stormtroopers that died from Ewoks... i mean common... What's that garbage armor?

 

Fixed because that was driving me crazy.

 

And the answer is Boba Fett. He doesn't even put up a fight he just gets knocked over into the Sarlacc. Despite this people freaking love him. And it happens at least one other time in the EU that I can think of. Galaxy's greatest bounty hunter my white ***.

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Fixed because that was driving me crazy.

 

And the answer is Boba Fett. He doesn't even put up a fight he just gets knocked over into the Sarlacc. Despite this people freaking love him. And it happens at least one other time in the EU that I can think of. Galaxy's greatest bounty hunter my white ***.

 

Gotta say I agree with that. I honestly believe the unnamed Bounty Hunter in TOR (the player character) is leagues beyond Boba Fett.

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Gotta say I agree with that. I honestly believe the unnamed Bounty Hunter in TOR (the player character) is leagues beyond Boba Fett.

 

I still to this day cannot understand what people see in Boba Fett. If you want to commend his tracking skills as a bounty hunter, I'm willing to reason with that, because that's all you see him do in Ep. 5. But it's the people that get pissed because they think he's some great fighter, and start conjuring up myths about him not really dying in the Sarlacc Pit in Ep. 6 based on obscure non-canon fan fiction written after the movies were made. The ONLY evidence of his fighting prowess happens to be in a 1 minute fight where he decided to fly up to a Jedi in melee range before finally firing his weapon, only to "surprisingly" get the barrel sliced off...

 

The only argument in regards to Boba Fett's death I will support is the manner in which he was killed. A blind and disoriented Han Solo accidentally hits BF's rocket pack which makes it go haywire and ultimately leads to his demise. Yeah, I always thought that was ridiculous myself.

 

The only other thing BF does in the movies is pose and nod confidently every 10 minutes. I guess it seduced some people but I still don't recognize how his fan base got so big...

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The only other thing BF does in the movies is pose and nod confidently every 10 minutes. I guess it seduced some people but I still don't recognize how his fan base got so big...

 

He simply appeals to some people In ways unique to each person. There's plenty of people who hate him too, and people who don't care about him, but love another character.

 

The thing about him that appeals to me Is the sense of mystery that used to surround him, pre Episode 2. He looked cool, acted cool, and just came off as a pretty bad *** guy.

If you pay attention to his conversations with Vader he doesn't seem afraid of him, something everyone else usually seems to be. Vader also doesn't patronize him, or anything like that, contrary to what he did with Lando. Even when Boba got up In Vader's face firmly stating how valuable Solo was to him, Vader just made sure Boba would get paid either way, instead of saying "sucks for you If he dies then.", or just choked him.

 

And since I'm a Fett fan I'd rather remember Boba Fett as the guy Darth Vader didn't want to piss off, than the guy dying the most unlikely death ever.

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Jabba the Hutt

 

Reason: You'd think a Criminal Overlord with the ability to run Thousands of Illegal operations on Various Planets would have the Common Sense not to give his slave girls the perfect way to suffocate him.

 

Boba Fett

 

Reason: "Boba Fett? Where?" <--- The last words he ever heard.

 

Stormtroopers

 

Reason: "Only Imperial Stormtroopers could be so Precise" Apparently the Endor Troops missed the Memo.

 

Other Pathetic Deaths:

 

Kit Fisto: That wasn't even a Flesh Wound.

 

Darth Vader: Son, Take off the only thing Keeping me alive so you can see my hideously scarred face.

 

Anakin's Mother (If she had a name please tell someone else as she was a completely useless character): Yeah, your mom? She was Grabbed by Tusken Raiders a while ago, I'd have helped her, but my Laziness is acting up Today.

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Padme Amidala - A wealthy young women in near perfect health surrounded by millions of credits worth of medical equipment, attended by the finest droid surgeons, and in the presence of one of the strongest force adepts in the galaxy .... dies in childbirth because she "lost the will to live".

 

 

Dr. Ball, MD pegged that scene exactly right in Robot Chicken.

 

agreed.

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Jango. Got his head saber off.

Little boy Boba picked it up, no blood dripping?

 

If I'm not mistaken which I could be. A lightsaber puts off heat so its safe to assume that it was enough heat to cauterize the wound instantly on both sides.

 

*edited* noticed somone beat me to it sorry for the repost of info.

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Darth Vader: Son, Take off the only thing Keeping me alive so you can see my hideously scarred face.

 

In all fairness, he was already dying anyway. The damage to his lifesupport equipment left him with no chance of survival, so taking off his mask wasn't really a problem.

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He simply appeals to some people In ways unique to each person. There's plenty of people who hate him too, and people who don't care about him, but love another character.

 

The thing about him that appeals to me Is the sense of mystery that used to surround him, pre Episode 2. He looked cool, acted cool, and just came off as a pretty bad *** guy.

If you pay attention to his conversations with Vader he doesn't seem afraid of him, something everyone else usually seems to be. Vader also doesn't patronize him, or anything like that, contrary to what he did with Lando. Even when Boba got up In Vader's face firmly stating how valuable Solo was to him, Vader just made sure Boba would get paid either way, instead of saying "sucks for you If he dies then.", or just choked him.

 

And since I'm a Fett fan I'd rather remember Boba Fett as the guy Darth Vader didn't want to piss off, than the guy dying the most unlikely death ever.

 

Boba Fett did everything in his power not to anger Vader, read more into the EU and comics, Its authors like Traviss labeling him the best "Jedi hunter" ever, when in all actuality the only time he went up against Jedi in the EU, he was safely ensconced in his father's ship, or he held them off long enough to run the hell away, that inflate him to greater imagined heights. In all actuality, he was just extremely good at surviving, if you go into C canon.

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Boba Fett did everything in his power not to anger Vader

 

Getting right up in Vader's face to make a point Is trying to be nice?

 

read more into the EU and comics,

 

Why would I do that when the incident I'm referring to Is In the movies?

 

Its authors like Traviss labeling him the best "Jedi hunter" ever, when in all actuality the only time he went up against Jedi in the EU,

 

I never mentioned anything In my post about the EU, everything I said happens In the films.

I never even brought his actual combat skills into my argument.

 

he was safely ensconced in his father's ship, or he held them off long enough to run the hell away, that inflate him to greater imagined heights. In all actuality, he was just extremely good at surviving, if you go into C canon.

 

Again, why should I refer to C canon, when the point I was making Is G Canon?

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