XplaguesX Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 which is best to stack? in what order? Right now on my OP lvl 43 im stacking crit and surge, and useing the surge adrenal, and so far im tearing #$%^ up in pve and pvp. but today some dude told me that i should be stacking alot of PWR and useing pwr adrenal and relics because its a huge base damage boost crit or not. the dude was an OP lvl 64 valor in a mix of champ/BM gear so its not like he was some random dude who has no idea. What do you guys think? is there a specific % i should aim for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cefan_essaomofo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Cunning > power > surge > crit/accuracy Cunning and power both give bonus damage (power) to techs and abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMooMs Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 i dont think this is the right answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cefan_essaomofo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) i dont think this is the right answer Really? Got anything else helpful to add then? Because I WAS stacking crit surge and switched and I can tell you its a HUGE improvement. Edited February 9, 2012 by cefan_essaomofo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cefan_essaomofo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 i have 638 expertise 40& crit/81% surge and with relic ext popped im hitting for as little as 700 sometimes.. figure that out Considering this is you... You obviously are missing some basic fundamentals of our class. Because that is absolutely awful. So if you have something constructive to say instead of calling people out about **** you obviously dont know. Please share. Otherwise, vendor your gear and go get some power, because I guarantee you if you have that much expertise and your stacking power you will NEVER hit for that low with relic. Ps When I pop my relic to hit someone I never do less then 1k. And thats not saying much. Move along please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayna Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 No expert BM like some here. But from what I gather (looking this up for my own Op). As long as you have 35-40% crit: Cunning > Power > Surge > Crit Otherwise, get crit up to there and then go along that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selais Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 The above dude is right. You'll want to stack crit+surge till crit is around 38ish% unbuffed and surge is about 80-85% Then if you have any slots left go for power. Anyone that tells you power is worth stacking before crit hasn't ever played a crit/surge spec, cause once they switch they never go back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 No expert BM like some here. But from what I gather (looking this up for my own Op). As long as you have 35-40% crit: Cunning > Power > Surge > Crit Otherwise, get crit up to there and then go along that line. This is true - You can google it if you want to but Power only has "soft" diminishing returns (some would call it no dim returns) while I have read that Surge caps at about 80% - I used my extra champ gear to make my set stacked with Pwr and surge instead of accuracy and power....wow what a change it made Since our sustained DPS is poor maxing power is the way to be that way when you do not crit you still get a good hit - my non crits right now are about 2k + on average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerikin_Loukbel Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 First: Surge to 300ishSecond: Crit to 300ishThird: Get more crit/power with what pieces of gear you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 http://sithwarrior.com/forums/Thread-Scoundrel-Operative-DPS-Compendium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reenolols Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Power is equal to about 5 cunning (not an exact number). 35% crit imo is the cutoff, don't go below that, but you don't need much more either. Surge(always top priority)>power>cunning>crit (Again, 35%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss_Molo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Great info. Great thread. Where does one get the BiS mods (with surg/power or power/crit) to replace acc/crit (if over 38% unbuffed)? Are they from dailies or taken out of other Champ/BM gear? Also, which Champ/BM relic is best? Or use both? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallenturtle Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Great info. Great thread. Where does one get the BiS mods (with surg/power or power/crit) to replace acc/crit (if over 38% unbuffed)? Are they from dailies or taken out of other Champ/BM gear? Also, which Champ/BM relic is best? Or use both? Thank you. The Champ Helm and Gloves have power/surge on them. I have yet to find a good Crit/surge enhancement that is easily gotten and about level 56 tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerikin_Loukbel Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 5 cunning is not 1 power. With the 9% skill and the 5% buff from inquis its about 1 to 1 for bonus damage/healing plus a small amount of crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargham Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Power is equal to about 5 cunning (not an exact number). 35% crit imo is the cutoff, don't go below that, but you don't need much more either. Surge(always top priority)>power>cunning>crit (Again, 35%) I disagree with this statement. I've found that the tech damage gain per point of power is ~.23 damage per point of power, while the gain from cunning is .2 Healing gain from power is .17 per point, while healing from cunning is .14 (so power is equal to 1.15 cunning would be more accurate). Numbers valid from 700 cunning to 1300 cunning at level 50. If there are soft caps, they are not in this region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venain Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'm pretty sure this depends on your spec. Lethality seems to benefit more from crit due to the energy return on dot crits. I've been meaning to try an extremely high crit lethality build, just need the gear for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selais Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) The Champ Helm and Gloves have power/surge on them. I have yet to find a good Crit/surge enhancement that is easily gotten and about level 56 tho Farm Advanced Assault Enhancement 24. 38end/19crit/48surge. Drops from Columi Helm (KuS drops 2 helms) / Gloves (Boarding Party) and also from SW/BH offhand weapon at the end of Battle For Ilum. bh/sw weapon also drops a purple crit crystal if purple is your thing. Edited February 9, 2012 by Selais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplaguesX Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 thanks for all the replys verry usefull stuff. so if i get my crit yo 35ish, and surge to 80ish, i should get power relics and adrenals right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMooMs Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Considering this is you... You obviously are missing some basic fundamentals of our class. Because that is absolutely awful. So if you have something constructive to say instead of calling people out about **** you obviously dont know. Please share. Otherwise, vendor your gear and go get some power, because I guarantee you if you have that much expertise and your stacking power you will NEVER hit for that low with relic. Ps When I pop my relic to hit someone I never do less then 1k. And thats not saying much. Move along please. crit / surge imo is best when u hit for 700-1k that aint right and that aint our fault.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 TBH I've been finding crit/surge a better choice over power, I'd put that second after cunning, power doesn't give enough return for damage and since ops can get crit past 35% at 50, why not add more crit and surge and accuracy on the rest. I've tested 2 different suits, one with mostly power and one with mostly surge with some crit and I chose the crit/surge suit, I was getting a better return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggardner Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 On my concealment Op, I've found I **** face with 40% crit 85%-90% sruge 750-800 Bonus dmg and 1800 cunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceitfulJester Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 No expert BM like some here. But from what I gather (looking this up for my own Op). As long as you have 35-40% crit: Cunning > Power > Surge > Crit Otherwise, get crit up to there and then go along that line. would we do the same stat boosting for OP healing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selais Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 would we do the same stat boosting for OP healing? Absolutely. Once you're self buffing (including stim) to 42ish% crit and 85ish% surge then add some power. You'll beast everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceitfulJester Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 awesome! thanks for the speedy reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cefan_essaomofo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I honestly found until level 50 that the crit stacking was better. But with my current set up I sit at just 30% crit. And I am stacking 90% power. I am in 5 champion pieces 2 centurion and 4 orange items all with purple enhancements for surge/power/cunning. I havent hit under 1k on an opener since I switched. I think if you have 30% crit your fine stacking power at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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