what i was saying is that we have 0 ranged def, in a game where pretty much everyones either ranged damage (sorc/sage,troopers,BHs,sniper/slinger) or has skills like pulls,charge exc to get to us from range. if a range target sees us, were pretty screwed. everyone of them has DOTs, and since 75% of players are sorcs or sages , the dots cant be removed, so there goes us trying to stealth for 15 secs.