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It's unstarwarsy.

 

Only Jedi to use Pauldrons in the movies:

 

http://community.us.playstation.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-30991668-6028/darth-vader.jpg

 

And they still fit under his flowing cape.

 

By the way, from the resources you put in this game, and the engine's support of flowing models, such as the hair, and lower body capes. The lack of body capes is baffling.

 

Here take a look at what having a decent flowing cape is:

 

 

 

 

So just please remove armor like this:

 

http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/39/871/warleader_jk.jpg

 

What would be the functionality of that in any combat situation ever except besides ceremonial warfare?

 

Since when were the Jedi tribals?

 

Their combat armors are more like this:

 

http://jedibuilds.com/wp-content/themes/wp-davinci-prem/scripts/timthumb.php?src=http://jedibuilds.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Jedi-Knight-Progression-Wide-150x150.jpg&w=150&h=150&zc=1

 

Yes, small image, but it seems the most non-gaudy-fantasy.

 

 

Just to recap, this right here is bad:

 

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/game-hunters/2011/12/19/swtorguard1219x-large.jpg

 

This is Sci-Fi Roleplay, Not fantasy roleplay.

 

Star Wars is Sci-Fi. It is. Ask George Lucas.

 

The worse Sci-Fi gets is this:

 

http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/65467.jpg

 

But, we definitely don't see this:

 

http://platform.ak.fbcdn.net/www/app_full_proxy.php?app=111324165551617&v=1&size=o&cksum=76871f5cfa232c13115f3eff896f6e13&src=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-KottX79lAKI%2FTojqv1PrVYI%2FAAAAAAAAAnY%2FJWieXF7_v2I%2Fs640%2Fverr%2525C3%2525BCckte%2Bschultern2.jpg

 

 

I mean, do you players, Who care about such things, want to see more of this bad artwork?

 

 

Would it not even, be less work, to create armors like this:

 

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2175_press03-001.jpg

 

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/drevanfront.jpg/

 

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/905/357403-darthbandon_large.jpg

 

http://media.photobucket.com/image/Darth%20Malak/Koda_Vonnor/Malak/malak_screenshot_13.jpg

 

 

TL;DR VERSION: Please replace Gaudy armor designs with practical armor designs.

 

From the series and the movies, the armor Jedi wear are actually adaptations of armor the regular non force using Sith Troopers seem to use. Or adaptations of armor designs.

 

Thanks.

 

 

If you think the armor looks fine, you don't need to disagree. Because we know that would be a lie.

 

I mean, LOOK at this:

 

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz210/Tuatara-/Pauldrons.jpg

 

And think.

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I have to agree to an extent, even though I've strictly playing Empire.

 

Think you have it right OP in that it is sci-fi, and being technologically advanced, not fantasy, there is absolutely no reason or logic involved in carrying around half your weight on your shoulders.

 

I think the best suit so far for size of pauldrons is the Empire Honor Guard style armor (Ancient Ardent Blade, Primeval Ardent Blade). Those look pretty sweet, though, they do stick out.

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I have to agree to an extent, even though I've strictly playing Empire.

 

Think you have it right OP in that it is sci-fi, and being technologically advanced, not fantasy, there is absolutely no reason or logic involved in carrying around half your weight on your shoulders.

 

I think the best suit so far for size of pauldrons is the Empire Honor Guard style armor (Ancient Ardent Blade, Primeval Ardent Blade). Those look pretty sweet, though, they do stick out.

 

Yes, I see you agree with what I'm really getting at.

 

Even the gaudyness of the Honor Guard fits the theme of this IP.

 

 

You can be Gaudy, and then you can also be this:

 

http://www.dcastle.org/pics/Anti-Paladin%20%28orc%20male%29.jpg

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Think you have it right OP in that it is sci-fi, and being technologically advanced, not fantasy, there is absolutely no reason or logic involved in carrying around half your weight on your shoulders.

 

Actually, there's quite a lot of critical support for the position that Star Wars, despite its space setting, is not SF at all, but rather a particular type of fantasy or space opera. It's a gray zone on the surface, a knee-jerk "must be scifi" layer a little below that, with a deep core of "this definitely isn't science fiction" resting at the center.

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I agree 100% some of the soulders are rediculas, seriously where do MMO designers get the idea people actually LIKE these giant shoulders?

 

I'd trade giant shoulders for the mortarboard-meets-wimple Consular helms any day of the week. They make the class feel less like this: http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/04/1/0/3/38881562095873221.jpg and more like this: http://www.neonbubble.com/neonimg/1/scifi10.jpg

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Believe it or not, if you read this argument, then you may also agree that Star Wars is fantasy and not science fiction.

 

Actually, there's quite a lot of critical support for the position that Star Wars, despite its space setting, is not SF at all, but rather a particular type of fantasy or space opera. It's a gray zone on the surface, a knee-jerk "must be scifi" layer a little below that, with a deep core of "this definitely isn't science fiction" resting at the center.

 

Actually, Science Fiction is simply a sub-genre of fantasy. As is medieval fantasy. There's various levels of 'hard'ness in science fiction, but the same can be said of Classical Fantasy, as that it's, at its core, an author making up what's going on based on their imagination and knowledge, including all the science.

 

Asimov put a lot of technical stuff in his books, and made them dry as can be for the most part, but they're still basically fantasy. He didn't know how cyborg arms would work and from the viewpoint of the narrative they're little different than grafting, say, a monster arm onto someone in a classical or medieval fantasy novel. Nor did he know how computers would actually work in the future, and the AC was really little more than a crystal ball with a steam punk (and later super tech) coat of paint on it. It's all just skins and flavors.

 

And most other things we consider 'science fiction' are very fantasy as well. Star Gates? May as well be magic. Warp Field Generators in Star Trek? Fancy words around them but they're basically magic as there's no explanation for how they work--it's the equivalent of saying a fireball spell ignites oxygen in the air instead of just saying it makes a fireball. Etc. etc. so on and so forth.

 

That said, Star Wars is very very soft science fiction, which brings it much closer to the common man's perception of fantasy than that of sci-fi.

 

I mean, really, jedi are just wizard ninjas with super powers in space, and ships are there to look cool, not to make sense.

 

When you have lines like, "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs," you basically have to admit that you have no founding in any kind of actual science and are just putting it in a technological setting because laser swords are cooler than broadswords.

 

However, the OP has a point in that the skin and flavor of Star Wars is STILL tech, not swords and boards and magical super shoulders. It conflicts with the flavor, not the genre, just like putting a set of Tier 7 WoW Paladin armor on a character from Game of Thrones would look completely ridiculous.

 

Edit: Or rather it comes dangerously close to conflicting with the flavor. It's mostly okay for now but large shoulder pads in MMOs do tend to be a slippery slope.

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PantheraMorag

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I've always hated shoulder pads, never use them if I don't have to, and would love some better armors.

 

Mostly I'll just use orange gear without shoulder pads on my chars (I'm ages away from level 50), but I really do wish the developer team would put some more time into armors and their graphics.

 

Clean up the muddiness and give us more options!

 

 

off-topic:

I want to wear the IA medium armor boots with knee caps from the light side vendor, but the muddy grey/black patches put me off, I have no clue what the design is supposed to be.

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-applauds-

 

Agreed, and not just for Jedi armor. I recently visited the Imperial Fleet for the first time and boy did I have a good laugh at some of the high level Sith armor I saw.

 

If some people like their shoulder do-dads, that is fine of course, we all have different taste. But how about more pieces without them? I only recently picked up playing my JC, but already I am starting to see the dreaded shoulder do-dads on all the hood-down robes I can find. >.<

 

Really, Bioware, it is ok . . . I can deal with my character not looking like he has huge blocky shoulders. You can just let the shoulder area have a natural silhouette sometimes . . . it'll be fine, promise! I won't get any feelings of inadequacy on behalf of my character for not looking bulky enough.

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I just wish there were some modifiable robes for Consulars which aren't either ridiculous colourful fancy dress or dull battered overcoats that look like they've been used to wrap sewage pipes to keep them warm in winter.

 

Hideous pauldrons and ridiculous impractical armour designs aside, the Knight can at least get some traditional-looking robes with added armour. Why the Consular classes can't have access to the unarmoured lightweight normal robes we see Jedi in the films wearing I just don't know.

 

The headgear is hideous, the robes are just... No, I don't want to look like an Arcane Scholar of Candle-freaking-keep and I'm not going to save Neverwinter from the King of Shadows; I'm a Jedi Master and I want to wear a plain hooded robe, jump from a gantry and land in the middle of a small army, smile and say 'Hello there' :cool: before kicking a cyborg's 4-armed backside.

 

/signed

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Agree, BioWare should add the option to remove both hoods and shoulder armor (individually and being the last one the more needed) for all classes (so we include jedi and sith).

 

/support

 

 

Regards,

 

Erethrorn

 

In a dream world, it'd be nice to be able to animatedly pull the hood up and down; but a whole set of animations for something purely for RP/aesthetic value is a bit much to ask.

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In a dream world, it'd be nice to be able to animatedly pull the hood up and down; but a whole set of animations for something purely for RP/aesthetic value is a bit much to ask.

 

And even if you're right, we know the options we want won't be in game if we don't ask for them. So let's try, and maybe we could have what the community wants. :-)

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Sorc's have it the worst yo.

 

Have you seen those HUGE shoulder spikes we have for our PvE set? And the weird heart thingies on PvP?

 

Yeah, it's so... Argh! If we had that option we could have those cool robes without the huge and ugly pieces of armor...

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