Vlaid Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I always wonder why people want arenas when the love pvp? Arena is no PVP, Open Pvp is real pvp, so im voting for some good opvp instead of instanced arena and more warfronts! Open World PVP is the most skill-less and pointless PVP to ever be invented. DURRR I WENT AND RECRUITED MORE MENZ, I WIN! Open World PVP and "real PVP" should never even be in adjoining posts to each other, let alone in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapuchinSeven Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Arenas destroyed wow pvp so definitely no, keep that garbage far away from this game. Blizzard actually said if they'd known what the arena was going to do to their game then they'd have never put it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soazak Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Open World PVP is the most skill-less and pointless PVP to ever be invented. DURRR I WENT AND RECRUITED MORE MENZ, I WIN! Open World PVP and "real PVP" should never even be in adjoining posts to each other, let alone in the same sentence. Open PvP doesn't have to be a zerg fight, any more than Arena is a gear fest, to assume Open PvP is automatically skill-less because there is a potential to have greater numbers is quite short sighted. You completely ignore the other aspects of it, such as fighting greater numbers (which many find fun), or the random variables such as uneven terrain or adds that make fights exciting See daoc for a perfect example. I'm all for Arena, as long as it's not mandatory for the best PvP gear, and the game isn't balanced around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zqsd Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 No we don't want arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunctatorg Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I fully agree! However it is obvious that Arenas are coming soon... Edit: however pay a visit there http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=224944 and think about the fixing of this issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToliverGrey Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Absolutely not. Arena came to dominate every class decision made in WoW. The first question developers had to ask themselves when making a change was: "How does this affect arena?" It also was the main reason for the homogenization of classes because arena players complained about how X class had an ability that their Y class did not, and that wasn't fair in arena. Arena's impact on WoW was overwhelmingly negative, for all aspects of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaid Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Open PvP doesn't have to be a zerg fight, any more than Arena is a gear fest, to assume Open PvP is automatically skill-less because there is a potential to have greater numbers is quite short sighted. You completely ignore the other aspects of it, such as fighting greater numbers (which many find fun), or the random variables such as uneven terrain or adds that make fights exciting See daoc for a perfect example. I'm all for Arena, as long as it's not mandatory for the best PvP gear, and the game isn't balanced around it. In order for PVP to be skill sensitive, and for you to be responsible for your positioning, healing, damage and survival the teams must be equal. There is no skill sensitive PVP if you can trivialize any measurement of skill with greater numbers. This is why people get so outraged when 12 people show up on the opposing team in Warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutePanda Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Oh god no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste-wan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 No we don't want arenas. Yes some of us do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCereal Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yes some of us do. Most of us don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyonlyletters Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I played for 6 years and was a 3 time gladiator. Arena was the most fun I had in the game by far Then why you bough SWTOR ? If you are happy with something shouldn you still have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzrknight Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I dont want arena i SWTOR talk for yourself. Arenas are a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 In order for PVP to be skill sensitive, and for you to be responsible for your positioning, healing, damage and survival the teams must be equal. There is no skill sensitive PVP if you can trivialize any measurement of skill with greater numbers. This is why people get so outraged when 12 people show up on the opposing team in Warzones. There's no "skill" in Arena. I got 2050 in TBC and 2300 in WOTLK with a finger up my nose with absolutely horrible setups. The only "skill" that was needed in 2v2 and 3v3 was communicating on TS and synchronizing pillar-dancing. 5v5, essentially, was all CC+focusfire. Also, lolcleave. It was a horrible way to gauge efficiency of classes in PvP outside canned group duels. It also made the "skill" claims of "leet" high-rated "PvPers" laughable. And no, you can't trivialize "any" measurement of skill with greater numbers. My Tank+DPS+healer premade regularly holds Alderaan points 3 vs 6+. We also tank a full enemy team at the Voidstar gates (first gate=lol, pillar-kiting - too damn familiar). Ilum, unless the numeric advantage is too ridiculous, is also exceptionally fun, at times. Granted, most times we face disorganized pugs, but hey - that doesn't change the fact that coordination (reasonably) trumps numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzrknight Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 In order for PVP to be skill sensitive, and for you to be responsible for your positioning, healing, damage and survival the teams must be equal. There is no skill sensitive PVP if you can trivialize any measurement of skill with greater numbers. This is why people get so outraged when 12 people show up on the opposing team in Warzones. Dont come with this skill stuff over to me. Arena was much more a combo making place than a skill one.Get a great combo win all the matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batslav Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 You does not mean WE i dont want arenas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Dont come with this skill stuff over to me. Arena was much more a combo making place than a skill one.Get a great combo win all the matches. The only type of Arena I'd like to see is Huttball. The sheer entertainment value of this Warzone, when played by premades, alone is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tivel Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Most of us don't. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm fine with arena-like game play, as long as it only rewards players with aesthetic things, like mounts/titles/accessories/clothing that give NO special PvP bonues/advantages. So, no arena gear. In my head, I picture it as just another type of warzone—2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, and even 1 vs 1 could be fun. Go nuts, have a ranking system (and even a less competitive non-ranked arena to practice in). The more variety of PvP, the better. Just don't base nerf/buff decisions around arena play, and all will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaid Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) There's no "skill" in Arena. I got 2050 in TBC and 2300 in WOTLK with a finger up my nose with absolutely horrible setups. The only "skill" that was needed in 2v2 and 3v3 was communicating on TS and synchronizing pillar-dancing. 5v5, essentially, was all CC+focusfire. Also, lolcleave. It was a horrible way to gauge efficiency of classes in PvP outside canned group duels. It also made the "skill" claims of "leet" high-rated "PvPers" laughable. And no, you can't trivialize "any" measurement of skill with greater numbers. My Tank+DPS+healer premade regularly holds Alderaan points 3 vs 6+. We also tank a full enemy team at the Voidstar gates (first gate=lol, pillar-kiting - too damn familiar). Ilum, unless the numeric advantage is too ridiculous, is also exceptionally fun, at times. Granted, most times we face disorganized pugs, but hey - that doesn't change the fact that coordination (reasonably) trumps numbers. I didn't say arena was some pinnacle of skill. I was simply pointing out how absolutely abysmal Openworld PVP is for measuring individual contributions and skill. You can only make so much a difference in the lag, sea of aoe's, and zergyness of it all. While it can be mildly fun, I quickly bore of it when it basically just boils down to numbers, aoe's, and healers. The strategy required of open world pvp is pretty bottom barrel. I actually think arena should not exist in this game. Because this game is structured horribly for it, not because arena has some inherent flaw. Every post I've made in this thread and others is that Open World PVP=terrible, arena=good, but not for this game, rated warzones=good for this game. Edited January 30, 2012 by Vlaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) I didn't say arena was some pinnacle of skill. I was simply pointing out how absolutely abysmal Openworld PVP is for measuring individual contributions and skill. You can only make so much a difference in the lag, sea of aoe's, and zergyness of it all. While it can be mildly fun, I quickly bore of it when it basically just boils down to numbers, aoe's, and healers. The strategy required of open world pvp is pretty bottom barrel. I actually think arena should not exist in this game. Because this game is structured horribly for it, not because arena has some inherent flaw. Every post I've made in this thread and others is that Open World PVP=terrible, arena=good, but not for this game, rated warzones=good for this game. Think wider. World PvP isn't zerg vs zerg - well, it may be if it's pugs grinding eachother for frags. But true world PvP has lot more strategy to it. Did some fun stuff on Ilum recently. Our Watchman charged into a huge horde of Imps, dropped a Sweep, Cloaked and ran off, got pulled by a Sage. The herd of Imps were jumping about like insane, spamming AoE, an Entrenched GS with a healer behind him poured some fire on them, two Imps get pulled, we put Exhaustion on them, then two geared, shielded, HoTed, stimmed Focus Guardians + 1 tank Guardian (me - my task was dropping an AoE taunt and Awe after the bombs hit) charge in, dropping massive Focus bombs, killing several people. Then we frakking pushed. A massive horde of base-camping Imps was turned by a 8-person raid. It was beautiful. It was glorious. And, more importantly, it was *fun*. Edited January 30, 2012 by Helig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste-wan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Most of us don't. But if you want to bring more players to join the game then you have to make stuff that appeals to a wider group of people. Lots of people want some sort of arena type combat so it'd be in Biowares interest to make it. As long as it's not made so that you have to play it to get the high end PvP gear I don't see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritalynn Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 with the ammount of CC every character has..... lol noooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonated Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'd rather wow fanboys leave then have arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerdoc Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 No, we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerdoc Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) But if you want to bring more players to join the game then you have to make stuff that appeals to a wider group of people. You mean like pands, pokemons, items that level with you so you don't have to replace them and nerfing content by 50% as soon as someone on forum posts that they can't kill a boss in random PUG with DPS only and one healer they are entitled to kill because they pay sub? No, thanks. Edited January 30, 2012 by Lerdoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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