amishathearttt Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I rolled scroundrel because I looked through every talent tree before the game launched. This nerf is going to make us useless in pve and pvp. If you're going to nerf our ownly dps tree can you at least make the shared tree at least viable for us? its completely weighted toward GunSlinger. Give us another dps tree then! We're drowning here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abiza Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I rolled scroundrel because I looked through every talent tree before the game launched. This nerf is going to make us useless in pve and pvp. If you're going to nerf our ownly dps tree can you at least make the shared tree at least viable for us? its completely weighted toward GunSlinger. Give us another dps tree then! We're drowning here! notsureifsrs.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetorept Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I rolled scroundrel because I looked through every talent tree before the game launched. This nerf is going to make us useless in pve and pvp. If you're going to nerf our ownly dps tree can you at least make the shared tree at least viable for us? its completely weighted toward GunSlinger. Give us another dps tree then! We're drowning here! So you go from the top of the damage/ kills chart to 2-3. This is game-ending how? Welcome to an Assassin's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupieFoxtail Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 You have two damage trees. Dirty fighting and scrapper. You have no right to a third damage tree, because you chose a class with a healing tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quesa Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I rolled scroundrel because I looked through every talent tree before the game launched. This nerf is going to make us useless in pve and pvp. If you're going to nerf our ownly dps tree can you at least make the shared tree at least viable for us? its completely weighted toward GunSlinger. Give us another dps tree then! We're drowning here! So your stealth opener gets a much needed nerf (sure, we can all argue on the numbers but most can agree it needed a nerf) so now you're useless in both PvP and PvE? You guys do realize that classes get nerfed and buffed over the life of a development cycle? If Op/Sc DPS is truly too low, they'll buff your OOS to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah, it's a shame. Good thing I have plan B going already. And plan C.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quesa Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah, it's a shame. Good thing I have plan B going already. And plan C.. See, players who always re-roll or roll FOTM classes when there is a nerf will never be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupieFoxtail Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) two noun 1. a cardinal number, 1 plus 1. Scrapper (1) + Dirty Fighting (1) = 2 damage speccs Edited January 21, 2012 by Noviru edited out removed content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 See, players who always re-roll or roll FOTM classes when there is a nerf will never be happy. I rolled scoundrel in early access mainly because of two things: 1. They were slated as possibly the least played class 2. The cowboy looks I didn't play any beta and I'm a decemberist. FOTM had nothing to do with it. Also, I'm an altaholic and I play several classes at the same time anyway. Knowing different classes firsthand makes for a better view of class balance, you should try it. Sadly scoundrel is a pretty one-dimensional class that relies on doing its pony trick. I might add btw that even my scoundrel's not 50 and does not have Biochem or even relics because I went the neutral route. P.S. How's plan D for FOTM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthiel Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 two noun 1. a cardinal number, 1 plus 1. Scrapper (1) + Dirty Fighting (1) = 2 damage speccs 1 healing tree 2 unuseable damage trees please pull your head out your *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupieFoxtail Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 1 healing tree 2 unuseable damage trees please pull your head out your *** Define "Unusable" As a gunslinger I have almost the exact same tree, albeit with a 30 meter range and no stealth and it's pretty great. Especially the sustained damage. Have you tried it, or did you just stick to the lolburst crutch from scrapper? Just because it doesn't have the same huge burst as a guerilla specc doesn't make it unusable. You're going to have to elaborate on your points if you want to make a compelling case And please, don't resort to childish curses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kheldras Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 So your stealth opener gets a much needed nerf (sure, we can all argue on the numbers but most can agree it needed a nerf) so now you're useless in both PvP and PvE? You guys do realize that classes get nerfed and buffed over the life of a development cycle? If Op/Sc DPS is truly too low, they'll buff your OOS to compensate. Opener - possibly, but theorycraft says that loosing 20% Armor Penetation hurts Scrappers PvE DPS a lot. Ah well. we see, what happens. If not i guess i use my commando as main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wattser Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The armor debuff doesnt just hurt the Scoundrel but hurts every other class playing with it since its a debuff on the mob. This really hurts in PvE, taking away a huge dps boost for the entire group/raid. We need separate definitions of skills for PvE vs PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicuspid Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 well I guess you and han have something in common then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupieFoxtail Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The armor debuff doesnt just hurt the Scoundrel but hurts every other class playing with it since its a debuff on the mob. This really hurts in PvE, taking away a huge dps boost for the entire group/raid. We need separate definitions of skills for PvE vs PvP. We have no idea if this was or was not required in PvE, as we do not have a way of parsing damage values into a DPS number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradzZzZz Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 i'm just gonna throw this out there (maybe i'm not a hardcore geek, but i still play the game..) maybe you should stop caring about how much dps you're getting and play the game for fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McVade Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I rolled scroundrel because I looked through every talent tree before the game launched. This nerf is going to make us useless in pve and pvp. If you're going to nerf our ownly dps tree can you at least make the shared tree at least viable for us? its completely weighted toward GunSlinger. Give us another dps tree then! We're drowning here! I feel so bad for you. Edited January 21, 2012 by McVade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avindra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Define "Unusable" As a gunslinger I have almost the exact same tree, albeit with a 30 meter range and no stealth and it's pretty great. Especially the sustained damage. Have you tried it, or did you just stick to the lolburst crutch from scrapper? Just because it doesn't have the same huge burst as a guerilla specc doesn't make it unusable. You're going to have to elaborate on your points if you want to make a compelling case And please, don't resort to childish curses Gunslinger is the mirror of Sniper Operative concealment and Smuggler scrapper was the spec nerfed. This doesnt apply to you because you dont have access to the same type of tree. Edited January 21, 2012 by Avindra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysthirsty Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 You have two damage trees. Dirty fighting and scrapper. You have no right to a third damage tree, because you chose a class with a healing tree. You do know that the shared tree is pretty much useless, right? 2 damage trees, 1 healing. You obviously cannot count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blarse Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Define "Unusable" As a gunslinger I have almost the exact same tree, albeit with a 30 meter range and no stealth and it's pretty great. Especially the sustained damage. Have you tried it, or did you just stick to the lolburst crutch from scrapper? Just because it doesn't have the same huge burst as a guerilla specc doesn't make it unusable. You're going to have to elaborate on your points if you want to make a compelling case And please, don't resort to childish curses Except as a Gunslinger you don't have to worry about generating Upper Hand to use Wounding Shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblackjew Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Pretty sure snipers have had it a lot harder, with this que and GCD system broken i die 5 more time because I just don't go into cover in combat effectivly making me a BH in med armor without tracer or unload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReFlexionn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 all i see is mad noobs not able to 3 shot ppl anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avindra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 all i see is mad noobs not able to 3 shot ppl anymore I laughed when I first saw the nerf because there was someone who I see regularly in WZs, who is the stealth melee build, complain constantly that he cant kill sorcs or sages because he doesnt do enough DPS. Now he will do even less mwahaha *ebil* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SliggXx Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I laughed when I first saw the nerf because there was someone who I see regularly in WZs, who is the stealth melee build, complain constantly that he cant kill sorcs or sages because he doesnt do enough DPS. Now he will do even less mwahaha *ebil* What is interesting is how you get pleasure at someone else's misfortune. I think it shows you have a tiny bit... ...of jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avindra Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 What is interesting is how you get pleasure at someone else's misfortune. I think it shows you have a tiny bit... ...of jealousy. Its true I do think the backstab animation looks cool and I like the noise it makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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