-Fenix Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) It is yet another in a long line of boring and lifeless themepark MMOs. Sandbox MMOs are so much more alive. Player economies make the world feel real, and there is so much more random interaction between people. Gear/reward based progression, carrot on a stick, is just so flawed and pointless. So many things I could list that are better in sandbox MMOs, but my point is made. Themepark MMOs suck. Bring on the next generation of sandbox MMOs! Edited January 20, 2012 by -Fenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taurusaud Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It is yet another in a long line of boring and lifeless themepark MMOs. Sandbox MMOs are so much more alive. Player economies make the world feel real, and there is so much more random interaction between people. Gear/reward based progression, carrot on a stick, is just so flawed and pointless. So many things I could list that are better in sandbox MMOs, but my point is made. Themepark MMOs suck. Bring on the next generation of sandbox MMOs! I agree, with so many design flaws (not even counting all the bugs) you really gotta wonder *** they were thinking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindianajones Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Like what, though? EVE? No one who hasn't been playing that forever wants to set foot in there. I actually gave it a long try a while back and found it unbelievably boring. What other good "sandbox" MMO's are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAmedeo Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Actually there is no reason why a MMO cannot be both Theme Park and Sandbox. Theme Park up to a certain level, and Sandbox the rest of the way. Its all a matter of what area your in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterRyanW Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The combination of Star Wars and BioWare brought me into the MMO world for the first time. All these "stale themepark MMO mechanics" are still fresh and interesting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpholinium Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Like what, though? EVE? No one who hasn't been playing that forever wants to set foot in there. I actually gave it a long try a while back and found it unbelievably boring. What other good "sandbox" MMO's are there? Well, there's Real Life . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaick Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) This game was advertised as such for the last 4 years. Don't come and complain it doesn't have sandbox elements when you failed to read. Edited January 20, 2012 by Jaick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindianajones Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well, there's Real Life . I enjoy that game thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaick Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I enjoy that game thoroughly. And the graphics are AMAZING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Fenix Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 I agree, with so many design flaws (not even counting all the bugs) you really gotta wonder *** they were thinking.. I had high hopes that they (Bioware) would fill the void of Star Wars Galaxies. SWG was flawed in many ways, but it had a lot of positives, even after two complete redos of the entire game's combat system. I at least expected them to try and merge the two types of MMO's. But all we got was another WOW clone with a storyline and Mass Effect dialogue system. Bleh. PVP is a joke, and I don't think I need to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallways Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 What exactly do you want to do that you are not able to? Go create the havoc you want in the world. There may not be rewards in game for whatever it is you want to do, but it is rewards you want, then it doesn't sound like you really want a sandbox game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capthxc Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It is yet another in a long line of boring and lifeless themepark MMOs. Sandbox MMOs are so much more alive. Player economies make the world feel real, and there is so much more random interaction between people. Gear/reward based progression, carrot on a stick, is just so flawed and pointless. So many things I could list that are better in sandbox MMOs, but my point is made. Themepark MMOs suck. Bring on the next generation of sandbox MMOs! Sandbox mmos are dead. The general population doesnt like the lack of direction and/or the lack of linear progression. You can cry and whine all you want, but the fact still remains that you're in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpor Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 And the graphics are AMAZING. But the community sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Fenix Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 This game was advertised as such for the last 4 years. Don't come and complain it doesn't have sandbox elements when you failed to read. I gave the game a month. Now I am complaining. I can, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykologist Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It is yet another in a long line of boring and lifeless themepark MMOs. Sandbox MMOs are so much more alive. Player economies make the world feel real, and there is so much more random interaction between people. Gear/reward based progression, carrot on a stick, is just so flawed and pointless. So many things I could list that are better in sandbox MMOs, but my point is made. Themepark MMOs suck. Bring on the next generation of sandbox MMOs! Sandbox games also bring in less money. Are niche, and unless they have "something for everyone" usually crash and burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinigual Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 bla bla bla bla bla bla ...and I don't think I need to elaborate. No one is asking you to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder-God Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 EVE is only good in short runs...as long as your alliance is able to hold onto a chunk of nullsec space. As soon as the one I was in started failing...it was time to go...we jumped ship just before the whole thing collapsed (but not due to our small corp leaving). Since then everyone has pretty much taken a break to train up. Sandbox MMOs are good...but difficult to pull off. The variety of options you have to include to make it a rich and vibrant world make it very difficult to balance. SWG had this problem the whole time before the NGE. EVE has this problem too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explosive_Lasers Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Different strokes for different folks. I, personally, think that TOR is great. The story, PvP, combat, and flashpoints are all fun and entertaining, and I enjoy a lot of the other systems. I think, overall, the design is FAR superior to WoW's and Rift's, and they were immensely successful. I can easily see TOR being more successful than WoW, or giving it some competition like Rift. It's all up in the air. One thing I can say, is that I'll be playing it for a long time. I've already decided I have to make at least two of each class, and then there's the addition of future content, which will make me have to make MORE characters for any future romances or stuff like that. So, really, it all comes down to playstyle. I'm an altoholic that enjoys a well-written story with LEGIT humor that doesn't feed of outside jokes or references. I also enjoy sandboxes, which is why TES and Fallout series are among my favorites. It's just personal preference, and you can't say the design is terrible because YOU don't like it. Gamers can in all shapes, sizes, breeds, and preferences, and they'll all look for something that fits them. For a lot of people, TOR will be perfect, because there's a lot of content and it fits a fairly large niche (story and solo-play, with a large chunk of group-play), so it will attract a large audience. Edit: If you really want to have a good sandbox MMO, start a Minecraft server with an ***-load of capacity. It takes some work, but you can get just what you want, with just who you want. Edited January 20, 2012 by Explosive_Lasers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barathos Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I had high hopes that they (Bioware) would fill the void of Star Wars Galaxies. SWG was flawed in many ways, but it had a lot of positives, even after two complete redos of the entire game's combat system. I at least expected them to try and merge the two types of MMO's. But all we got was another WOW clone with a storyline and Mass Effect dialogue system. Bleh. PVP is a joke, and I don't think I need to elaborate. You didn't get a WoW clone. You got a WoW clone with SUPER-DUPER LINEAR QUESTS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 And the graphics are AMAZING. The graphics don't age well for the majority of people. So learn to enjoy the gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickDevlan Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It is yet another in a long line of boring and lifeless themepark MMOs. Sandbox MMOs are so much more alive. Player economies make the world feel real, and there is so much more random interaction between people. Gear/reward based progression, carrot on a stick, is just so flawed and pointless. So many things I could list that are better in sandbox MMOs, but my point is made. Themepark MMOs suck. Bring on the next generation of sandbox MMOs! Must be why themepark MMOs have millions and millions of subs and sondbox MMOs are niche or dying or dead... P.S. Did you not understand what this game was before you bought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfondles Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I don't get how this game doesn't have sandbox elements.. I mean I can travel around on my ship to whatever world I want.. I can kill whatever I want.. I can run around searching for republics to kill.. If I want to I can climb mountains and jump off of them (I've done it).. So if I can roam freely and basically do whatever I want then how isn't this a sandbox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanosTitan Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I don't get how this game doesn't have sandbox elements.. I mean I can travel around on my ship to whatever world I want.. I can kill whatever I want.. I can run around searching for republics to kill.. If I want to I can climb mountains and jump off of them (I've done it).. So if I can roam freely and basically do whatever I want then how isn't this a sandbox? No, you cant. In fact if your even caught being too low level in Illum, its a bannable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfondles Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) No, you cant. In fact if your even caught being too low level in Illum, its a bannable offense. Yea.. that's not true http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=120099 Third paragraph in particular.. Edited January 20, 2012 by Mcfondles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxonLuxor Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I had high hopes that they (Bioware) would fill the void of Star Wars Galaxies. And there it is - THIS IS NOT SWG2. I was never stated to be. Just because you failed to read and understand what the game would be does not make it a failed game. I played SWG since launch - it is what it was and now it's gone. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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