karimi Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 What form do you use in 16/23/2 ? Switching bw soresu and shien ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'm actually planning to switch to 18/23/0 after 1.2 so this is good news. My question is, since you deal mainly single target damage are those two points in decimate (or ravager or malice I guess) really better than sonic barrier? I know the barrier is not much but it's still a good sustain mitigation for PvP ... or you could get deafening defense I guess (but I still prefer the barrier for mitigation). Yeah, I was mostly wanting to test out how effective Ravage can be when it is fully skilled out and such, but for Rated in 1.2, if I were to run this build, I would probably go with Sonic Barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 What form do you use in 16/23/2 ? Switching bw soresu and shien ? Yeah, stay in Shien until some one needs more then just taunts to help them out or if you start getting focused yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranJ Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Just triying the build and it works great 16/23/2, good survivability and not bad dps. I wonder if full vig would work well too.. it seems to be an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patd Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) Is there a link to the 16/23/2 build? Something like this? http://db.darthhater.com/skill_calc/sith_warrior/juggernaut/#::fef2e3f2cefe5f2ef3e3f4edfe3f15ef6: Edited April 13, 2012 by patd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Right now I'm 31/6/4 and I'm thinking I'm liking this even better then the hybrid I posted. I havn't tried the hybrid yet, but the Ravage damage is still amazing regardless. Charge for the vindicators bonus + adrenals/relic.. I had 2.5k, 3.2k, 5.2k ravage on a sorc earlier. Ravage is NUTS. Oh Also, you wanna do some funny stuff to a trooper healer, get a marader friend, do one of your stun,s then both ravage at the same time and watch the guy die instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpectWar Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Right now I'm 31/6/4 and I'm thinking I'm liking this even better then the hybrid I posted. I havn't tried the hybrid yet, but the Ravage damage is still amazing regardless. Charge for the vindicators bonus + adrenals/relic.. I had 2.5k, 3.2k, 5.2k ravage on a sorc earlier. Ravage is NUTS. Oh Also, you wanna do some funny stuff to a trooper healer, get a marader friend, do one of your stun,s then both ravage at the same time and watch the guy die instantly. do you think you could post the spec? would be great thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) do you think you could post the spec? would be great thanks! http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrGduzrzfzZcMzZMM.1 On average I've been doing about 250k dmg a game. I havn't seen many people doing all that much damage, it seems that there were a lot of balancing changes in the Expertise added to all the new gear. I treid full Veng, and Rage and neither really seemed to compare to Immo, not even close. Targets are getting killed a lot faster regardless of the healing changes, so you are not constantly fighting people who were getting topped off. The new rage rotation is kinda meh, and I don't feel like learning it at the moment. But honestly, deep Immo just got soooooooooooooooo much better due to the ravage changes. You can burst nearly as hard as a rage jug did pre 1.2 but with stuns and ****. Edited April 13, 2012 by Schwarzwald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranJ Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 To OP: I guess u are in soresu stance all the time with that tank build, or u change looking for a dps improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 soresu the whole time with guard up until my health becomes a liability without healers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillshock Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 The one thing I absolutely miss whenever I spec "how I'd like to spec" is the Unstoppable Talent. :/ I play so much pvp, and this one just... well... makes me feel a lot less like a pingpong ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowVamp Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Sorry. I do 160k damage and 90k protection. You must be doing something wrong. thats not good bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farcough Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Great to see the new build appearing after 1.2 Took me hours to decide & 1 skill rest too, but after seeing the new Immortal build, which I prefer I might have to reset again. Out of interest, what are or is peoples preferred skill rotations? Open with saber throw, then force leap etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobrawastaken Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 I agree fully. I thought my jugg was dead in pvp (since I use him as a MT for OPs). Decided to join a few games for fun. I don't know if it is the gear difference now (I'm full BM) with the upgrade on BM, upgrade to ravage, or what but I finally feel like a TANK in pvp and doing decent damage using an immortal spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosef Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) To the OP using 31/6/4 now...question? Should I be using tank pvp gear or Vindicator? I'm thinking about making the switch to the immortal tree, but I'm in full champ vindicator gear. Edited April 13, 2012 by Kosef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angellis Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 To the OP using 31/6/4 now...question? Should I be using tank pvp gear or Vindicator? I'm thinking about making the switch to the immortal tree, but I'm in full champ vindicator gear. The OP uses Vindicator dps gear but tank spec, hence the "Immortal DPS" idea. Also our defensive stats are useless half the time anyway. Having said that, the OP is less of a pure meatshield/ball-carrier as others, so it can depend on what role you want to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 The OP uses Vindicator dps gear but tank spec, hence the "Immortal DPS" idea. Also our defensive stats are useless half the time anyway. Having said that, the OP is less of a pure meatshield/ball-carrier as others, so it can depend on what role you want to fill. yeah pretty much, the tl;dr of this build is it provides you the ability to keep your team alive while also being able out to thin out the numbers of the enemy. So you are kinda working with a flow of mitigating team damage with taunts and well placed stuns while also being able to use those same stuns in the reverse role of cutting down the enemy. Think of it as an equilibrium that you need to be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamochit Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 cool thread , i always enjoy lookng at what everyone else is playing. immortal is kinda the red-headed stepchild of pvp. we dont get the votes because lets face it , our damage sucks and no one really seems to notice us taunt and absorbing damage. i play a straight up tank build with a shield genny and soresu. all that said , i probaly have the MOST fun playing this toon out of all 8 toons (i have one of each AC). if i want to do massive burst and kill people in 3 or 4 hits ill just play my sniper. keep the threads coming and thanks for sharing. Please remember to vote for that guy thats peeling that pesky scoundrel off your butt constantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillshock Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Immortal + DPS gear = great fun. But there are the 6 mandatory points in vindication (6% dmg, 6% str) and I'd always take the 2 point in ravager, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Immortal + DPS gear = great fun. But there are the 6 mandatory points in vindication (6% dmg, 6% str) and I'd always take the 2 point in ravager, I guess. Not really sure how mandatory Dreadnaught is going to be. War Hero is toning back on the Str and because any geared person is going to have a lot of Expertise, I'm not sure if the minor STR is going to be more of a benefit over 8% ravage damage. The formulas act a bit differently because of how much expertise everyone has. At first I thought Biowares decision to not really change around the Power and Surge on the BM gear was a terrible, terrible nerf, because all that stuff you saw on Dulfy's spreadsheets indicated that we could be gaining LOTS of power and surge in our gear. Well that didn't happen, and initially I was really pissed off. Then I realized that in comparison to my old gear which had only 12.5% exp damage, I now have something like 21.5 exp damage, which is nuts and probably provides more then what that added Power and Surge would ever do under optimal conditions. So really, because of how much epxertise we have, I think its better to put points into skills which will do a significant percentage increase on your hard hitting abilities. Example : My 2/2 Ravager got me an overall 9000 ravage. If I was 0/2 Ravager I would only get 8280. I don't think the 0-3%-6% difference in STR would ever come close to having a 720dmg difference in your burst. Its your Burst you want to emphasize, becuase that is what is going to bring targets down when you are focusing an opponent with your teammates. the 6% str isn't going to make your crushing blows any significantly better, and really that ability is great mostly because of the instant 5 stacks of sunder. Combine that with a sniper shatter shot and then team up with a marauder and you will drop heavy armor tanks in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juslooking Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101RrGduzrzfzZcMzZMM.1 On average I've been doing about 250k dmg a game. I havn't seen many people doing all that much damage, it seems that there were a lot of balancing changes in the Expertise added to all the new gear. I treid full Veng, and Rage and neither really seemed to compare to Immo, not even close. Targets are getting killed a lot faster regardless of the healing changes, so you are not constantly fighting people who were getting topped off. The new rage rotation is kinda meh, and I don't feel like learning it at the moment. But honestly, deep Immo just got soooooooooooooooo much better due to the ravage changes. You can burst nearly as hard as a rage jug did pre 1.2 but with stuns and ****. On that spec what would be a good starting rotation, thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 On that spec what would be a good starting rotation, thx there is no rotation. Apply sunders, then play by ear. This isn't rage, you need to use your brain to be good on this spec. Trial and error is the best way to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorSama Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Hey sorry if you already posted this but I am having a lot of issues finding it. I see that your sig has the 31/8/2 rather than the 31/6/4 you were using which are you putting those two points into? Also thank you so much for sharing this I was a pure vengeance guy till I tired this out and I'm loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 been to lazy to update things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paweleq Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Are you planning to buy Vindicator items also in 1.2 Schwarz? Is it viable to tank in WZs with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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