Dual Spec - It's a must! (NOT ACs)

[Raeln]

Or.... You can stop being lazy and just roll another toon. Problem solved. It's an MMO, and to be only rolling 1 character is a mistake on your part. I have a DPS, a Tank, and a healer. I switch characters according to the groups needs. Like others have said, Dual spec will reduce the diversity in character classes.

 

Hahahahaha, if I have to roll another toon, level it up and maintain it with current gear for current content just to be able to heal - meh, forget it - I'll pull my name off the guild roster for healing and put it in the DPS column.

 

I'm not sacrificing my solo fun time to put up with pathetic DPS from heal specs. You all can just learn to live with long wait times to find a healer.

[Enigma]

Solution.. Get in a good guild.. you can run with your own people and not have any of these issues. Boom. Fixed.

Would dual spec be nice, sure. But needed, not by a long shot.

 

I have a great guild .. That's even more reason why I want dual spec.

[Calimwulf]

In a perfect world perhaps. But when ...for example a 4 person group...you just need 1 tank and 1 healer.....once those spots are filled ...you have just excluded a large portion of the population from being able to fill the two remaining slots unless they are willing to spend alot of credits every day.

For everything in the game so far that does not include endgame raiding, I have DPS'ed and Healed using my Healing spec. No one has every complained or noticed. So I'm just not seeing what you are saying.

 

Now if you are 'just' DPS and you can't get a spot, that I can see, but then I'll go back to what previous posters have said. I do not want my toons repair bill in the hands of someone who thinks switching specs is all it takes to do the role correctly.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Calimwulf

[Raeln]

It's the trinity driven content that is creating this shout for Dual Specs.

 

That said,..check out RIFT's soul system. ...really cool,...maybe too much,...but cool.

 

 

So if this imbalance of healers/tanks are driving demand for Dual Specing,...what about the , perhaps, larger issue of Faction Imbalance.

 

 

Give us Dual Faction!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/ducks

 

My brother and I were already talking about how some Flashpoints should have been written in a way where Republic and Empire players ran them together to increase player availability.

 

For one - I'm so tired of every new game on the block thinking they need to split the playerbase in two for a faction war.

[Draylore]

For everything in the game so far that does not include endgame raiding, I have DPS'ed and Healed using my Healing spec. No one has every complained or noticed. So I'm just not seeing what you are saying.

 

Now if you are 'just' DPS and you can't get a spot, that I can see, but then I'll go back to what previous posters have said. I do not want my toons repair bill in the hands who thinks switching specs is all it takes to do the role correctly.

 

Maybe its not as bad for 'healers'. As a Immortal spec Jugger there is only 1 spot in 4 that I have any business occupying...If I am not the tank I am severely gimping my group and basically forcing them to 3-man the content since they would be better off using one of their DPS companions as the 2nd DPS slot.

[KelricAlpha]

I haven't seen this comment emphasized much so I'll throw it out there. I group almost solely from within my guild for flashpoints. That emphasizes alot of things I like and eliminates alot of the things I don't like about grouping situations. Yes I will group with others for group quests/heroics etc... but not the point. My point is, by offering dual specs, my guild suddenly gets to expand it's options for group. I like to actively engage as my of my guild members as possible. I want people in my guild feel like they are a part of something. A dual spec lessens the chance of me having to say, sorry... we're full, dps, tank, or healer. Playing my Powertech, I'd be okay switching to a dps to mode if it means I can add a guild tank. Playing my Sorceror, same story. Need a heal, I can do that, need to dps I can do that too.

 

This is not an AC change. I know all the tools I have available to me and while I may not be optimally geared for that spec I can do well enough. Speaking of gear, guild group rule #1 treat each other fairly. It's the understanding we roll on gear for main spec, not companions, and not because it's lit up.

 

I'd hope alot of guilds are this way but I'm sure some are not. For us, it's win-win. Get it...dual spec... win...win... har!

[Raeln]

For everything in the game so far that does not include endgame raiding, I have DPS'ed and Healed using my Healing spec. No one has every complained or noticed. So I'm just not seeing what you are saying.

 

Now if you are 'just' DPS and you can't get a spot, that I can see, but then I'll go back to what previous posters have said. I do not want my toons repair bill in the hands of someone who thinks switching specs is all it takes to do the role correctly.

 

If was to switch from my Gunnery build to Combat medic build on my trooper, I would likely see more than a 50% drop in my DPS. I have no desire to hinge my solo'ing ability entirely on M14X and wait for his low DPS to burn down every mob I need to kill.

 

Like I said before - no dual spec? means I will not be available to heal pug Flashpoints. I'll respec for the guild and I may even remain a heal spec for a day or two but as soon as there is a lull in guild activity and I find myself out on my own, I'm going to respec back to DPS because I don't like spending 45 seconds to kill a pack of mobs when I can destroy them in 5 with a gunnery spec.

 

Respec is already in the game, but it is frustrating to have to go back to 1 NPC on Coruscant to respec, rebuild the actionbars, keybinds and remember where you had all the points the last time.

 

Sorry if you want to live in a pre-dual spec world but as long as a game developer insists on using the tank, heal, dps holy trinity system for combat, dual spec is now a necessity for the support classes.

[Caelrie]

Maybe its not as bad for 'healers'. As a Immortal spec Jugger there is only 1 spot in 4 that I have any business occupying...If I am not the tank I am severely gimping my group and basically forcing them to 3-man the content since they would be better off using one of their DPS companions as the 2nd DPS slot.

 

It's the same for healers. He's gimping his group by DPSing in a healer spec if he's beyond level 30 or so.

[Poisonsenvy]

Mark my words fanboys will be the death of this game. You know whats crazy even a B list MMO like DCUO had way more features at release. At least they let you dual spec and have a dungeon finder. Also this is the only game with no Support class most MMO's have 4 classes Tank /DPS/Support/Heals so at least we can get a dual spec in a 300M game. If your game is more bare bones than DCUO and you spend 300M then something is terribly wrong.

[JediRyuk]

I've been a healer since level 10 and have seen none of these problems... I don't think your arguement is very persuasive.

 

I think a lot of people who want dual spec saw a class like the sorc and said "This class is great I can heal ops and the rest of the time DPS" where as I looked at the sorc and said "Hey this guy looks like the healer I'd want to be!"

 

play the spec you want, not the spec you want and a backup spec just cause.

 

I tank in Sorc/Sage. It's all I can do. Bubble, Channel, Heal, Heal, Heal, Heal, Stun, Interrupt, Heal, Heal. Hopefully another player will run by me in Ilum and assist me, or the enemy gives up.

Edited January 19, 2012 by JediRyuk

[Raeln]

Mark my words fanboys will be the death of this game. You know whats crazy even a B list MMO like DCUO had way more features at release. At least they let you dual spec and have a dungeon finder. Also this is the only game with no Support class most MMO's have 4 classes Tank /DPS/Support/Heals so at least we can get a dual spec in a 300M game. If your game is more bare bones than DCUO and you spend 300M then something is terribly wrong.

 

You'll have to choose what you want in a game.

 

Do you want support classes or do you want support-class destroying addons like damage meters?

 

You won't be able to maintain both. Rift had excellent support class options and they got steamrolled by parser-worshipping players. No matter that as an archon mage I was buffing the other group's damage immensely and reducing damage taken significantly - I was low on the parser. THAT CANNOT BE ALLOWED!

 

Also - you only needed 1 archon per raid in Rift. So what do you do if there is already a support class present - OH WAIT, you click your dual spec button and come as DPS. Hrmm....

[Draylore]

Mark my words fanboys will be the death of this game. You know whats crazy even a B list MMO like DCUO had way more features at release. At least they let you dual spec and have a dungeon finder. Also this is the only game with no Support class most MMO's have 4 classes Tank /DPS/Support/Heals so at least we can get a dual spec in a 300M game. If your game is more bare bones than DCUO and you spend 300M then something is terribly wrong.

 

And to add......at least from what I have seen so far.....everything in TOR that remotely passes for 'challenge' or 'difficulty' is designed to enforce having as much DPS as possible with as little tanking and healing as possible. With no 4th roll the problem that most of us are used too from other games is even worse here. The holy trinity is alive and even stronger in TOR. =P

[Demonix]

No, roll an alt if you want to have the option of a different role.

 

Dual spec is lazy, period.

[Caelrie]

No, roll an alt if you want to have the option of a different role.

 

Dual spec is lazy, period.

 

Only learning one role is lazy.

[Draylore]

No, roll an alt if you want to have the option of a different role.

 

Dual spec is lazy, period.

 

At least we know who to blame when BW adds the LFD tool and all the lazy DPS only players flood the forums QQing because they have LONG queue times.

[Raeln]

No, roll an alt if you want to have the option of a different role.

 

Dual spec is lazy, period.

 

Actually, I think designing a game to have content that requires a dedicated tank and healer is lazy.

 

It's time to roll tanking / healing abilities into the base class and leave them there. Talent trees should just provide different methods of DPS (different playstyle). No talents should affect healing or tanking. Then we wouldn't need dual spec.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Raeln

[LordMerrick]

I'm dual spec'd Heal/DPS I ask the group which role they want me to play. It works out pretty well....if i am playing full time healer and constant healing isnt required I pitch in with some damage. But if I am asked to play full time healer I make that my priority.....I do not just heal whenever I feel like it as I am aware that failing my job as a healer will incur the wrath of my peers no matter how much dmg I pitched in.

 

 

I didnt dual spec out of laziness but the desire to create a stronger character those last few skill blocks at the top of the tree seem negligible to me....the cumulative effects of skills across different trees that buff the same attributes seemed more valuable to me. Plus dual spec'ing is more fun

Edited January 19, 2012 by LordMerrick

[Poisonsenvy]

You'll have to choose what you want in a game.

 

Do you want support classes or do you want support-class destroying addons like damage meters?

 

You won't be able to maintain both. Rift had excellent support class options and they got steamrolled by parser-worshipping players. No matter that as an archon mage I was buffing the other group's damage immensely and reducing damage taken significantly - I was low on the parser. THAT CANNOT BE ALLOWED!

 

Also - you only needed 1 archon per raid in Rift. So what do you do if there is already a support class present - OH WAIT, you click your dual spec button and come as DPS. Hrmm....

 

Yeah I love Rift i'm so glad I kept my sub My guild is doing HK tonight I can't wait to get home and jump on a real mmo. Thats how it is lately I play swtor for an hour or so then wind up switching over to rift. Its like I have a brand new pick up truck (Swtor) and a year old Mercedes(Rift) in my drive way. Which do you think i'm driving the most lol not the truck.

[Calimwulf]

If was to switch from my Gunnery build to Combat medic build on my trooper, I would likely see more than a 50% drop in my DPS. I have no desire to hinge my solo'ing ability entirely on M14X and wait for his low DPS to burn down every mob I need to kill.

What I am about to say may sound insulting, but that is not my intent. I am a JC Seer. While I am farming mobs/elites, I do not sit back and just heal my companion. That might be what I have had to do in the past in other games with pets, but that doesn't have to happen in this one. I try to always learn the best way to play my current game and forget about my last one. In this game I switch between healing my companion and DPSing the mobs depending on need.

 

Now, what I did do is look at the DPS'ers videos to see what a good DPS rotation is, but other than that I'm good to go. I have almost no down time between fights unless I get spawned on top of, but other than that I just keep rolling a long. Since I have no down time, my battles 'may' take longer, but certainly not 50% longer and since I have no down time, then my killing speed is roughly equal.

 

Like I said, dual spec can be useful, especially for PvP and PvE. I hope they implement it, but not needed.

[Draylore]

I'm dual spec'd Heal/DPS I ask the group which role they want me to play. It works out pretty well....if i am playing full time healer and constant healing isnt required I pitch in with some damage. But if I am asked to play full time healer I make that my priority.....I do not just heal whenever I feel like it as I am aware that failing my job as a healer will incur the wrath of my peers no matter how much dmg I pitched in.

 

 

I didnt dual spec out of laziness but the desire to create a stronger character those last few skill blocks at the top of the tree seem negligible to me....the cumulative effects of skills across different trees that buff the same attributes seemed more valuable to me. Plus dual spec'ing is more fun

 

 

Hybrid is not he same thing as Dual.

[smartbarley]

Wait better idea, how about you guys just group with your guildies instead of lfg. Jeeze do you know how much easier that is. Sure if one of the players in your guild only has a dps and didn't do heal or tank, then everyone couldn't use the characters they wanted, but going the guildie route means you don't need duel spec. There's thousands of guilds out there and your telling me you can't find a guild that does only dungeon runs?

 

Sure normal guilds don't have the time to do dungeon runs whenever you want to, but that's why there's dungeon guilds only. Easy solution is do just that instead of complaining that there's no dual spec or a party has too many tanks or heals.

 

Or when looking for a group, just say what you are and what dungeon. Most people tend to say who they are looking for in a group anyway too.

 

Leave dual spec for simple specs like WoW has.

[Slightlycampana]

Actually, I think designing a game to have content that requires a dedicated tank and healer is lazy.

 

It's time to roll tanking / healing abilities into the base class and leave them there. Talent trees should just provide different methods of DPS (different playstyle). No talents should affect healing or tanking. Then we wouldn't need dual spec.

 

Not quite sure what you mean here. You mean make each class a tank-only, dps-only or healer-only and then give them three flavours of their own specialisation?

 

Or give each class a tank, dps and healing spec?

 

Or give all characters healing/tanking/threat management?

 

Edit: It would be lovely to do away with the whole threat generation nonsense altogether, but I think that's so integral to the game design it would be impossible right now.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Slightlycampana

[Inraika]

Re roll... its the whole point.

You shouldn't have just one character and only play that.

[Poisonsenvy]

Wait better idea, how about you guys just group with your guildies instead of lfg. Jeeze do you know how much easier that is. Sure if one of the players in your guild only has a dps and didn't do heal or tank, then everyone couldn't use the characters they wanted, but going the guildie route means you don't need duel spec. There's thousands of guilds out there and your telling me you can't find a guild that does only dungeon runs?

 

Sure normal guilds don't have the time to do dungeon runs whenever you want to, but that's why there's dungeon guilds only. Easy solution is do just that instead of complaining that there's no dual spec or a party has too many tanks or heals.

 

Or when looking for a group, just say what you are and what dungeon. Most people tend to say who they are looking for in a group anyway too.

 

Leave dual spec for simple specs like WoW has.

 

lol this guy has to be like 14. hey lil guy fanboy much?

[Draylore]

Wait better idea, how about you guys just group with your guildies instead of lfg. Jeeze do you know how much easier that is. Sure if one of the players in your guild only has a dps and didn't do heal or tank, then everyone couldn't use the characters they wanted, but going the guildie route means you don't need duel spec. There's thousands of guilds out there and your telling me you can't find a guild that does only dungeon runs?

 

Sure normal guilds don't have the time to do dungeon runs whenever you want to, but that's why there's dungeon guilds only. Easy solution is do just that instead of complaining that there's no dual spec or a party has too many tanks or heals.

 

Or when looking for a group, just say what you are and what dungeon. Most people tend to say who they are looking for in a group anyway too.

 

Leave dual spec for simple specs like WoW has.

 

Guild with 4 folks available to run a Flashpoint. Powertech, Operative, Merc, Jugger.

 

?? Do the Powertech and Jugger just roll to see who gets to wonder over to the respec vendor and dish out 50k and redo his hotbars? Oh wait....$500m MMOs do not come with a /roll option =P

Edited January 19, 2012 by Draylore