Bioware: Allow Advanced Class Respec!

[ferroz]

It's apples to apples - because it's about classes. The class selection method doesn't change that.

No, it's apples to oranges.

 

• in one case, you pick a class at character creation.
  
• in the other, you don't pick an advanced class at character creation; you do pick a class at character creation.
  

 

• in one case the character could potential be a member of either advanced class for several levels after play begins.
  
• in the other case, the character could have only ever exists as a member of the one class after play begins.
  

 

• in one case, the classes not have a common set of abilities
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

• in one case, the classes do not share any common class based quests or companions
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

comparing advanced class to class is apples to oranges. They both fruit, but not the same thing.

 

Advanced class is nothing more than a specialization of a class. Comparing an advanced class change in TOR to a class change in another game is simply not a valid analogy.

Edited January 20, 2012 by ferroz

[HKFortyEight]

No, it's apples to oranges.

 

• in one case, you pick a class at character creation.
  
• in the other, you don't pick an advanced class at character creation; you do pick a class at character creation.
  

 

• in one case the character could potential be a member of either advanced class for several levels after play begins.
  
• in the other case, the character could have only ever exists as a member of the one class after play begins.
  

 

• in one case, the classes not have a common set of abilities
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

• in one case, the classes do not share any common class based quests or companions
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

comparing advanced class to class is apples to oranges. They both fruit, but not the same thing.

 

Advanced class is nothing more than a specialization of a class. Comparing an advanced class change in TOR to a class change in another game is simply not a valid analogy.

 

Yes it is.

[Phaedrynn]

Why was this thread necroed? This is thread needed to be left dead, as does the idea that spawned it.

[Quraswren]

No thanks.

 

Leave it the way it is. Implement the duel spec option without AC changes.

 

There should never be a class that can be:

 

Range DPS

Melee DPS

Tank

Healer

 

All cause they went and paid a few credits to a trainer.

you still have choices within each AC just not every possible choice and that's a good thing.

 

So, I'd rather them not have AC changes unless it's on a more permanent basis.

 

Example: You get 2 respecs for the life of the toon that can be used to change AC. One change to check out the other AC at any level you want to us it. If you do not like it you have one more swap to go back to your original AC.

 

Thats about all I would agree too.

[samht]

In traditional MMOs, classes are defined by a set if conditions and constraints assigned to a given character. These classes are differentiated by the ability to:

 

• wield different weapons
  
• wear different armor
  
• use different abilities
  
• perform different roles
  

 

All of these attributes are found in the Advanced Class system of Star Wars: The Old Republic.

 

In Star Wars: The Old Republic:

 

• Advanced Classes = Classes
  
• Classes = Stories
  

 

 

 

 

 

First off I would like to be able to change advance classes, second

 

the advance classes don't wear different gear, a bh merc wears the same gear as bh powertech, a mage wear different gear then a warrior. a bh merc use two pistols the powertech use 1 but they are them same stats- like warrior that duel wields vs on the use single hand. - a warrior and mage don't share similar weapon.

Next they use 80% the same abilities - they both have access the bh primary abilities with extra abilities coming from the advance class and skill trees. Again a mage and warrior don't share any similar abilities.

No to mention both advance classes of the same tree have the same primary stats. BH = aim. - A mage uses int and warrior uses strength.

 

So your logic is fail.

[samht]

No, it's apples to oranges.

 

• in one case, you pick a class at character creation.
  
• in the other, you don't pick an advanced class at character creation; you do pick a class at character creation.
  

 

• in one case the character could potential be a member of either advanced class for several levels after play begins.
  
• in the other case, the character could have only ever exists as a member of the one class after play begins.
  

 

• in one case, the classes not have a common set of abilities
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

 

• in one case, the classes do not share any common class based quests or companions
  
• in the other case, they do.
  

 

comparing advanced class to class is apples to oranges. They both fruit, but not the same thing.

 

Advanced class is nothing more than a specialization of a class. Comparing an advanced class change in TOR to a class change in another game is simply not a valid analogy.

 

well said, if you don't want the game to have respec advance class thats one thing. Trying to say that is like changing classes in other games that totally nonsense. If you gonna argue your point try to use valid logic.

Edited January 20, 2012 by samht
grammer

[Nitewolfe]

Bioware,

 

Please allow Advanced Class Respec. There's no reason for this, give players the choice! If you're worried it will hurt your story or something - don't. You don't seem to care you send Jedi to go slaughter hundreds of Sand People, so why care about something that is needlessly restricting players?

 

Thanks!

 

 

THINGS TO CONSIDER:

 

1. An Advanced Class is separate from a Class in SWTOR. Support: http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes

2. Players deserve freedom, especially when it doesn't effect you in any way.

3. Given the same choices, a player's story, companions and ship is exactly the same regardless of your AC.

4. Just because you enjoy making 16 alts doesn't mean the player next to you does.

5. There's many legitimate reasons why a player at any level might need to respec AC's. It does not mean they are lazy/stupid.

 

ALSO:

 

Links showing Bioware has supported this idea...

 

WATCH:

 

Thanks to Salzwasser for the link.

 

...and more recently, read: http://torwars.com/2011/12/01/stephen-reid-on-advanced-class-switching/

 

POLL HERE: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=4f1285a6c2e1b0e46168c294

 

 

I would rather see them do away with the AC completely! It causes these types of demands.

Just make people pick he ac at character creation.

So instead of starting as a trooper you would start as a vanguard or commando. This would clear up the fact that each AC is your class!

[EzoEo]

I'm sure there are lots of people who support changing Advanced Class because it would make some people happy, and there has yet to be a valid argument against it; right now all we see are name calling, bad analogies, and opinions phrased as facts.

 

I think you're mixing up "people who are lazy" with "people who have a philosophy of tolerance".

 

 

If you role a Warrior in EQ2 then choose Paladin you will always be locked in to the Crusader sub class and can never be a Bard.

 

Jedi Knight is the games warrior class and the Advanced Class/Sub class is Sentinel or Guardian which you choose in order to further advance your character progression. Like most other MMOs the specialistion is locked.

 

You make a choice based on your own personal preference and playstyle whether you want to DPS or Tanks.

 

I support Dual specs but Advance classes like other MMO's should remain locked as are a form alternate advancement.

[Saurakk]

Please NO.

[Triolus]

OP: I want to try out advanced classes and change at will.

 

Yoda: Do or do not; there is no try.

[Comieb]

Yes id like there to be an AC change ability but i also want it to penalize you to do so.

 

My suggestion would be that you lose half a level.

 

Respec AC at 50 ---> become a level 49.5 toon

 

Respec AC at 39.8 ---> become a level 38.5 toon

 

Credits wise it should be 100k + % of your total credits of that faction.

[SlickDevlan]

Yes id like there to be an AC change ability but i also want it to penalize you to do so.

 

My suggestion would be that you lose half a level.

 

Respec AC at 50 ---> become a level 49.5 toon

 

Respec AC at 39.8 ---> become a level 38.5 toon

 

Credits wise it should be 100k + % of your total credits of that faction.

 

Not severe enough...

 

IF, and that is one gigantic "if", they were to allow this it should be once every few months kind of change that costs a fortune.

[jdnyc]

Isn't there a game that already does this? I think something this drastic needs to be factored in from the beginning of game design. Not tacked on.

 

I'm for dual spec within your AC though.

[DevonLoy]

Here is one thing I have not seen anyone else point out.

 

 

Sure they can let you respec your advanced class.

 

BUT GOOD LUCK GETTING AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SET OF GEAR!

 

...pant...

 

Sorry I had to catch my breath.

 

But seriously, as soon as they implement AC respecing people are gonna be asking for a way to change their gear type instantly.

 

It just doesn't work.

[Buur]

Here is one thing I have not seen anyone else point out.

 

 

Sure they can let you respec your advanced class.

 

BUT GOOD LUCK GETTING AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SET OF GEAR!

 

...pant...

 

Sorry I had to catch my breath.

 

But seriously, as soon as they implement AC respecing people are gonna be asking for a way to change their gear type instantly.

 

It just doesn't work.

 

It's not an issue. A lot of classes would use the same exact gear and those that don't could plan it out in advance.

[DevonLoy]

It's not an issue. A lot of classes would use the same exact gear and those that don't could plan it out in advance.

 

Its not an issue if your smart about it. But I guarantee there will be some people complaining that they went from guardian to sentinel, and were stuck naked.

[Buur]

Its not an issue if your smart about it. But I guarantee there will be some people complaining that they went from guardian to sentinel, and were stuck naked.

 

Ya, unfortunately not very smart people are always going to exist.

[Nitewolfe]

I support ac resecs if they set you back to level 10 when you do them!

[Matteuz]

Or you could give low levels a grace period, say up to level 15-20 you can change AC if you want, that way you get a feel for it and see if it fits you or not.

 

I have a level 11 Operative that I regret not going sniper with, sure it's just 10 levels but going through hutta a third time (got bounty hunter) is not something I'm looking forward to.

Edited January 21, 2012 by Matteuz

[Machaca]

well just thinking it on the buisness point of view, why not.

the amount of money wow makes from just offering those services is dumb, still comes down to the player if he wants to pay or not to do it but the option exists.

[saminaobx]

How about just a single re roll at lvl 30+

[Heggs]

Or you could give low levels a grace period, say up to level 15-20 you can change AC if you want, that way you get a feel for it and see if it fits you or not.

 

I have a level 11 Operative that I regret not going sniper with, sure it's just 10 levels but going through hutta a third time (got bounty hunter) is not something I'm looking forward to.

 

 

Agree 100%.

 

You’re changing 1 tree not changing class. Allow it once before lvl21 and that’s it.

[Lethality]

Agree 100%.

 

You’re changing 1 tree not changing class. Allow it once before lvl21 and that’s it.

 

 

 

You choose your STORY at character creation. You choose your CLASS at ~level 10.

 

You ARE changing the class. It really is as simple as that. Despite BioWare's naming conventions, that is precisely what's happening and as soon as everyone accepts that, the forums (and game) will be a better place.

[Heggs]

You choose your STORY at character creation. You choose your CLASS at ~level 10.

 

You ARE changing the class. It really is as simple as that. Despite BioWare's naming conventions, that is precisely what's happening and as soon as everyone accepts that, the forums (and game) will be a better place.

 

Your changing your ADVANCED class, not class. People want to be able to go from Vanguard to Commando, not Trooper to JEDI.

 

As for your comment on making the forums/game a better place if 'we' accept your opinion on this matter, sorry m8 I pay my €€€ to play this great game and if I can get this idea implemented I will.

 

Not meant in anyway way to be agressive or a personal attack type comment toward you m8.

[JasonSavo]

I don't even know why this is a debate. Here is the solution.

 

CHARACTER CREATION

 

Pick your Faction-

 

Republic-------------Empire

 

 

Pick your STORY

 

Trooper

Smuggler

Jedi Knight

Jedi Consular

 

 

Pick your CLASS

 

Vanguard-----------Commando

 

That's it. The end. If we did that then this stupid topic and thread would go away for all of eternity. Get rid of this crappy Advanced Class system and lets start calling these things what they really are. STORIES and PROFESSIONS.

Edited January 22, 2012 by JasonSavo