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While I'm almost sure the whole thing is an accident-turned-feature sort, a British RP-tuned accent sounds a way more snobbish and suitable for a aristocratic militant society that the Empire definitely is. Could be much more fun, if moffs started, like, some southern tunes, would look like the South finally rose again :cool: .

 

As for historic debates spinning off here, I personnaly tend to accept Churchhill's view as described in his memories\books\bios. Here is the short of it:

- Britain alone stood for about a year, after continental resistance ended

- USA contributed greatly with supplies and war materials, also with convoy escorts.

- In exchange, yes, many pacific bases were rented to the US (not taken away, 99 year rent). That had sense, as Japan was close and ready to attack, so it could become a bait for them, and a possibility to drag the US into the open conflict.

- Britain invasion would not occur after the failure in the Battle of Britain, and See Loewe cancelling in 1941, as the Fleet was strong and unbeaten, and Hitler's divisions were occupied with Eastern Campain (that consumed about 60% of all his ground forces, even remaining Afrikakorps were partially shifted to Russia in 1943).

 

So nothing to quarrel about, only a bit of good old-fashioned bar brawl between the allies ;)

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Ha!

 

Also, English people have always been used as the bad guys. Except for ones with Northern accents. Hweugh *cringe*

 

Of course there are exceptions. I'm certain there are several films in which the villain is played by either Sean Bean or Christopher Eccleston. Those two usually use their own accents. Other northern actors usually go all RP. You'd never know James Mason, Patrick Stewart, Ben Kingsley or Judi Dench were/are all from Yorkshire. I suspect all that Shakespearian theatre work trained it out of them. Sean Bean on the other hand, sounds like he's from Yorkshire even when he's trying to play an American or the son of the Steward of Gondor :)

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I think I speak for all American when I say we don't think about Brits in a bad capacity in anyway. As a matter of fact we are the ones who saved you in WW2. Aren't you our closest ally. This made up animosity is hilarious. We aren't all of British decent ( though I am Scottish) it's Called a melting pot for a reason. Cheer up. :)

 

actually i belive that Canada (the greatest Country ever) is you closest ally

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I believe it started a long time ago, maybe the 20's? maybe the 40's? Sadly, I am no expert, however, the Americans have never forgiven us English (British) for you know... making America what it is... oh and there was the whole George the IVth Tea taxes. So they went to War for independence. Since winning the war, and since Movies have been a massive thing in America, you'll notice a lot of "evil" characters are English (British)

 

This is just ... lol

 

Im pretty confident we as a country are over the whole Stamp Act/War for Independence/Down with England thing; we have much bigger fish to fry in our own backyard.

 

I'm also pretty sure we villianize everyone equally in our movies, including ourselves.

 

Lastly, I'm very sure England most certainly did not make America "what it is", but thats a topic for a whole other type of forum.

 

Kudos to you for the laugh though. Really not sure if this is an elaborate troll, or ... just a giant lol.

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Also, as an American, I just want to say we didn't really save the British in WW 2. They kind of did that themselves with the RAF and the battle of Britian.

 

Now for the rest of Europe... That's a different story.

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Yet they should of put more accents, Maybe Spanish ones :cool:

 

Pretty sure there was an Italian accent (Italian Italian, not Italian-American) on... ugh... the alien guy who wasn't the Hutt or the droid on the "council of three" (forget the actual name, horrible memory) in the Nar Shaddaa storyline for the Sith. Did seem to suit the character, although definitely a little stereotypical...!

 

 

I also find I'm analyzing the Imperial accents even more since reading this thread. I started an Imperial Agent alt and noticed a couple of things.

 

One, that "Keeper" (your introductory quest giver) can't seem to decide whether he's fully RP English or the mid-Atlantic, upper-class/Shakespearean actor blend. Particularly when he comes out with "de-TAIL" (rather than "DEE-tail", which would be the English emphasis) ... giveaway that the original voice actor was American. Not the only giveaway pronunciation "glitch" I've run into on otherwise-convincing accents, though.

 

Second is that Keeper actually tells the agent to "drop the Imperial accent" for an espionage quest, going undercover with an assumed identity. Lo and behold, your character switches from RP English when speaking with Keeper to using a strained mid-west accent when she's "in character" for the undercover mission.

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I believe it started a long time ago, maybe the 20's? maybe the 40's? Sadly, I am no expert, however, the Americans have never forgiven us English (British) for you know... making America what it is... oh and there was the whole George the IVth Tea taxes. So they went to War for independence. Since winning the war, and since Movies have been a massive thing in America, you'll notice a lot of "evil" characters are English (British)

 

Make your own conclusions as you will.

 

To your post, I believe since Grand Moff Tarkin was played by Peter Cushing, a major Imperial. David Prowse was also Darth Vader (not the voice - or lightsabre scenes IIRC)

 

Although Peter Mayhew (who played Chewbacca) was also English.

 

I agree, the whole tea party thing.

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In Order of Evilness*

German>Russian>British.

Thus, British is pretty damn high on the evil scale. From this we can see why they rule an Evil Empire in the Star Wars Universe.

 

 

*In Films. I am not saying anyone is more evil than the British in real life ;)

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In Order of Evilness*

German>Russian>British.

Thus, British is pretty damn high on the evil scale. From this we can see why they rule an Evil Empire in the Star Wars Universe.

 

 

*In Films. I am not saying anyone is more evil than the British in real life ;)

 

Lol

 

I can imagine the big directors of Hollywood getting together with a big whiteboard that just says

 

German>Russian>British

 

On it and them discussing whos going to be the bad guy in each's next film.:D

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The quintessential English accent is simply unbeatable for playing the baddie:)

 

We drink tea whilst torturing our victims dont you know?

 

hehehe

 

It just seems to fit the Sith so well, does it not? Screams of torture in the back ground, with a sith sitting at a little table:

"I say, keep him from getting blood all over the floor again, will you? Good man. *sips tea*"

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That's actually a common misconception about Star Wars. Some of the officers on the Death Star and star destroyers were British, but most of the Empire actually spoke with an American accent.

 

The officer accompanying Vader on Tantive IV ("holding her is dangerous") was American. Admiral Motti that got choked by Vader was American.

"TK421, why aren't you at your post" was American.

"Who is this? What's your operating number?" - American.

"We have analyzed their attack" - American.

"You rebel scum!" - American

Every single Stormtrooper - American.

 

Some of the more important Imperials were British, but the majority of the Empire - including Vader himself - spoke with an American accent.

 

 

The original darth vader was infact English / British

before the voice overs of the voice overs.
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Actually, that is referring to the Sith Empire of the great hyperspace war returning, not the Sith from Kotor.

 

Can anyone verify that the Sith from KOTOR and the Sith from SWTOR are two completely different organizations?

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That's actually a common misconception about Star Wars. Some of the officers on the Death Star and star destroyers were British, but most of the Empire actually spoke with an American accent.

 

The officer accompanying Vader on Tantive IV ("holding her is dangerous") was American. Admiral Motti that got choked by Vader was American.

"TK421, why aren't you at your post" was American.

"Who is this? What's your operating number?" - American.

"We have analyzed their attack" - American.

"You rebel scum!" - American

Every single Stormtrooper - American.

 

Some of the more important Imperials were British, but the majority of the Empire - including Vader himself - spoke with an American accent.

 

Very good observations. Also Obi Wan Kenobi (both of them), Qui Gon Jinn also spoke with British accent. So this whole Empire = british accent is not canonical and simply made up by Bioware.

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My feeling is that it is intentional. I have always thought of the Empire as having a Superiority Complex. As a Chiss, I have already been "talked down" to by Human Imperials who thought themselves my better. I think something that a British accent brings to the table (even if it is generic) is the ability to combine eloquence and condescension all at once. IMO no other accent lets you combine the two to the degree that a British accent does.

 

I mean really. Do you want to do a quest where an Imperial officer says Soldier, you got some droids to kill, so git r done! ??

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