thestackshow Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) If SWTOR catered to all the "true gamers" it wouldnt even have 10k subs. Its called a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online game for a reason. You dont get MASSIVE by catering to the minority of players. /end thread Edited January 5, 2012 by thestackshow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurnea Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Sadly, it really is. I mean, making difficult levels so that all levels of gamers can complete it is one thing. It's another to sacrifice good gameplay for what is traditionally icing on the cake (story, aesthetic, etc). Story and aesthetics have always been the point of Bioware games, though. I mean, who the heck picked up Mass Effect or Knights of the Old Republic chiefly for the gameplay? When you're buying a Bioware produced game, a sequel to Knights of the Old Republic nonetheless, and interviews and updates before the game's release repeatedly made it clear that story was the main focus of the game, perhaps people should've come into this game with the expectation that story was indeed a main focus? I still have faith that Bioware will tidy the game a bit and make the gameplay a little better, but it's disheartening when any call for better gameplay gets shot down by 20 people who are content with mediocre game design. Constructive criticism that acknowledges the games flaws and points out suggestions is one thing. Pitiful whining that goes onto make claims of who is or isn't a 'true gamer' is quite another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KippTabor Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) "True gamer". Is that like when a politician says "Real Americans"? A true gamer would never call themselves something like that in the first place. They don't allow their disappointment and impatience to turn into anger that they then pour onto those who dare to not agree with every last one of their ideas for improving the game. They get along with and give at least minimal respect to others, even if they disagree. They don't try to divide the community with obnoxious labels like "true gamer". Those of you who dislike this game enough to try to divide the community need to pull your noses from your navels for a moment and realize that there's a great big world out there, and not everyone can have everything they want. If you are so disappointed with the product, why dwell on it? Do you think that maybe it's time to move on to another game or activity that doesn't cause you so much anxiety and distress? Or maybe at least attempt to use a little honey versus all the vinegar you've been spraying around the forums? Or is the drama just that much fun? Edited January 5, 2012 by KippTabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannic Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 OP I do agree games have been dumbed down significantly in the last several years. I also laugh at how many noobs mistake "interactive movie" for "RPG." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Mott Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 For those of you who are unaware of what "the n00b effect" is, please take a look at video. A large portion of the community seems content with mediocrity and scoffs at the true gamers who are trying to advocate better gameplay. It's both sad and annoying. A true gamer learns a game before they play it. That said, being a true gamer, you obviously knew what you were getting into before you played it. Yet you have audacity to call others n00bs because you lack the power to change the game to suit your needs. You sir are a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeDs Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Great Video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichLather Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 People that call themselves "true gamers" are both sad and annoying. I got a NES for X-mas when i was 8 with dragon warrior, and mario/duck hunt, since then I have darn near lived and breathed video games. There is nothing wrong with "true gamer" and nothing at all wrong in admitting you are one. If someone went from farmville being there first game to SWTOR being there second, then welcome to the world I have lived in for over 20 years, but understand there is a vast difference between us. Thers nothing wrong with pointing this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorpius Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 lol True Gamer, or was it Pro Gamer lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fayecell Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thank you for that video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 OK, that video was hilarious! Excellent use of the Konami Code and other such obscure references. But seriously... I don't play this game (or any game for that matter) to gain some sense of accomplishment. It's entertainment... period. If you really want to give your brain and awesome gamer reflexes a challenge visit your local Jiu Jitsu academy (preferrably Gracie Humaita, Gracie Barra or Alliance). It's like playing chess while someone is trying to choke you unconscious (which I've heard they actually do in Russia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichLather Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) If SWTOR catered to all the "true gamers" it wouldnt even have 10k subs. Its called a MASSIVE Multiplayer Online game for a reason. You dont get MASSIVE by catering to the minority of players. /end thread Thats what they make exploration dailies and cute pets for, the casuals. Nothing wrong with Bioware taking the time to add things in the game for the mom and pops players to do. The same exists for raids for true gamers, casuals dont need to see inside the raid, its the place to make the uber content. Even the normal mode raids should be brutal, the hard modes should be nearly impossible. Edited January 5, 2012 by RichLather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adapterr Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This brings me gratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excedrin Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Story and aesthetics have always been the point of Bioware games, though. I mean, who the heck picked up Mass Effect or Knights of the Old Republic chiefly for the gameplay? When you're buying a Bioware produced game, a sequel to Knights of the Old Republic nonetheless, and interviews and updates before the game's release repeatedly made it clear that story was the main focus of the game, perhaps people should've come into this game with the expectation that story was indeed a main focus? Constructive criticism that acknowledges the games flaws and points out suggestions is one thing. Pitiful whining that goes onto make claims of who is or isn't a 'true gamer' is quite another. That's what they're doing differently to distinguish themselves, just as they did with their other games. It is still fluff, but that doesn't make it useless. It is never an excuse for poor gameplay. I'm not saying TOR is the worst game I've ever played, but there is much room for improvement in this regard. To say that isn't important would be silly. As for the second part, I agree. However, there are people who post constructive criticism and get met with "lol go back to wow pandsa and pokemonss!!!1" on a regular basis on these boards. Surely you don't approve of that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurnea Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 LOL great video, to bad its all true. With newer shinier graphics game quality seems to degrade. Remember the days of the first gen consoles when games were a challenge and made you think? Nothing like starting Zelda 1 not knowing W.t.f your supposed to do but the game is still 100% beatable AND enjoyable You're referring specifically to Nintendo Hard difficulty: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NintendoHard . Most gamers recognize such difficulty for what it is, where difficulty was more often or not a trial due to poor game design. Take the dam level of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, that level just wasn't designed all that well. Also, I remember a game called Super Mario Bros 3 for the NES. Easy as hell, and still quite enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NermalDetonator Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 You were the chosen one! It was said that you would rule the game, not ragequit. You were to bring true gaming to the noobs, not leave them in darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloatedGuppy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I got a NES for X-mas when i was 8 with dragon warrior, and mario/duck hunt, since then I have darn near lived and breathed video games. There is nothing wrong with "true gamer" and nothing at all wrong in admitting you are one. If someone went from farmville being there first game to SWTOR being there second, then welcome to the world I have lived in for over 20 years, but understand there is a vast difference between us. Thers nothing wrong with pointing this out. I starting playing games on my Intellivision, and moved on to the Commodore 64. By the time your precious NES even hit the market, I'd already played 100's of games. By your logic, I'm the "true gamer", and you're just a hollow pretender. Fortunately for both of us, I'm not enough of a prat to shuttle people into categories based on how long they've pursued a hobby or which genres they prefer or how many pounds they gained during their winter gaming binge. Love gaming? You're a gamer. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichLather Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Story and aesthetics have always been the point of Bioware games, though. I mean, who the heck picked up Mass Effect or Knights of the Old Republic chiefly for the gameplay? When you're buying a Bioware produced game, a sequel to Knights of the Old Republic nonetheless, and interviews and updates before the game's release repeatedly made it clear that story was the main focus of the game, perhaps people should've come into this game with the expectation that story was indeed a main focus? Constructive criticism that acknowledges the games flaws and points out suggestions is one thing. Pitiful whining that goes onto make claims of who is or isn't a 'true gamer' is quite another. I have a nice eye opener for you, this one might blow your mind. theres a vid of a really good player rocking mass effect 2 solo on insane. As you can clearly see Mass Effect has amazingly smooth gameplay with a very high possible skill cap. So yea, lots buy ME for the gameplay, its damned amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racsofp Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I find their meatloaf shallow and pedantic. I agree. Shallow and pedantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imsorrisuck Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 For those of you who are unaware of what "the n00b effect" is, please take a look at video. A large portion of the community seems content with mediocrity and scoffs at the true gamers who are trying to advocate better gameplay. It's both sad and annoying. Wow... This guy just about sums up a lot of players on here... Complain, complain and then... Complain some more. That's what I got from all his videos. That and a lower IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RycheMykola Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 For those of you who are unaware of what "the n00b effect" is, please take a look at video. A large portion of the community seems content with mediocrity and scoffs at the true gamers who are trying to advocate better gameplay. It's both sad and annoying. These are TRUE gamers. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521044027821122670 which one is you? :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSheriff Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ignorant/stupid people make me sad. Videogames are created and developed to make money. In the early days of videogames, developers created games for a very small demographic. This is no longer the case. In an MMO, specifically designed to attract as large a use base as possible, the target market is very large. Play games with/against other pro-gamers. Don't expect anyone else to want the same things out of games. I don't expect everyone to be able to compete with me in physical sports, as I'm fully aware of the fact that they don't spend nearly as much time playing as I do. They likely don't take it as seriously as I do, nor do they play as competitively as I do. PS. I'm not sure why it is, but it seems that many competitive "pro-gamers" behave a lot like whiney little babies when things don't go the way they want. I speak from experience, as I personally know and have played games with "pro-gamers (as in actually payed to play)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltusImperator Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Great. Now everyone who read this post discovered the problem. Now what is the solution? Like all profitable and successful companies, BW must cater to a larger audience than just the "elite" gamers. Sorry. Edited January 5, 2012 by AltusImperator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowerslayer Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ignorant/stupid people make me sad. Videogames are created and developed to make money. In the early days of videogames, developers created games for a very small demographic. This is no longer the case. In an MMO, specifically designed to attract as large a use base as possible, the target market is very large. Play games with/against other pro-gamers. Don't expect anyone else to want the same things out of games. I don't expect everyone to be able to compete with me in physical sports, as I'm fully aware of the fact that they don't spend nearly as much time playing as I do. They likely don't take it as seriously as I do, nor do they play as competitively as I do. PS. I'm not sure why it is, but it seems that many competitive "pro-gamers" behave a lot like whiney little babies when things don't go the way they want. I speak from experience, as I personally know and have played games with "pro-gamers (as in actually payed to play)" You need to watch the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsfear Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 That was the single most EPIC VIDEO OF ALL TIME My guildies were just arguing for why the cutscene are so great..............LOL. They also happen to be some of my guilds worst pvp'rs. Swtor's gameplay needs to be tightened up. PVP feels horrible and sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Beat Ninja Gaiden black on insane difficulty and your a true gamer. Beat the first 3 on NES no emulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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