Lormif Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Except that's not true at all. Ok then smarty. Tell me one game that was making loads of money, that went F2P and made more money. It is easy to say "except that is not true at all", much harder to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokivoid Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 3 weeks and they already are fixing major issues. Tbh , good job to bioware , hat off for them They have not even remotely touched the major issues. Even 1.1's PTR notes dont even close to touching even a small precentage of the most glareing issues. There just targeting easy to fix ones (ie Cheap to fix). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KajiKingStarzky Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 SWTOR will die because of it's core design flaw SWTOR is a WoW clone with less areas and more linearity. The question you have to ask is, what does SWTOR offer that WoW doesn't? Voice over? REALLY? And i don't know if you've noticed but the cinematics and overall gameplay is TRAMPLED by actual single player games. In single player games, the world changes because of your actions. In SWTOR everything remains the same. So SWTOR fails as a single player game AND as an MMO, either way you have to pay 15 dollars a month Plain and simple. And i don't know if you've noticed, but peak times have gone from 16 full servers to 2 full servers. Oh BTW, don't worry about SWTOR going F2P, EA is too proud to do something like that. Look at Warhammer for instance Uber Troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHirogen Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It can go F2p or just be killed off as a failure, it doesn't matter, by the time it does I have no interest in coming back, since all the content can be finished within 1 month's time and it is more a singleplayer than an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilentor Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Nice troll on the fanboys OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasukePete Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Ok then smarty. Tell me one game that was making loads of money, that went F2P and made more money. Lord of the Rings Online. Their profit basically skyrocketed after going F2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightblaster Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Look at the sneak peaks, they just sliced those complain lists in half. I haft to say I'm impressed that they're getting in gear. Won't go F2P because no matter what happens EA won't do that. WAR is not F2P. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gankdalf_ Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I will take ANYONES bet that SWTOR will be free to play in a years time. Open your eyes people, yes it hurts but the fact is it's Sunday afternoon in Europe and the server lists are nearly all STANDARD with 5 or 6 heavy and none full. Most people have already left and another load will be leaving in 5 days time......hardly the stats of a successful game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfatcheric Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 SWTOR will die because of it's core design flaw SWTOR is a WoW clone with less areas and more linearity. The question you have to ask is, what does SWTOR offer that WoW doesn't? Voice over? REALLY? And i don't know if you've noticed but the cinematics and overall gameplay is TRAMPLED by actual single player games. In single player games, the world changes because of your actions. In SWTOR everything remains the same. So SWTOR fails as a single player game AND as an MMO, either way you have to pay 15 dollars a month Plain and simple. And i don't know if you've noticed, but peak times have gone from 16 full servers to 2 full servers. Oh BTW, don't worry about SWTOR going F2P, EA is too proud to do something like that. Look at Warhammer for instance Then stop playing. I love it and will continue to play. bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfatcheric Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It can go F2p or just be killed off as a failure, it doesn't matter, by the time it does I have no interest in coming back, since all the content can be finished within 1 month's time and it is more a singleplayer than an MMO. Oh really? You have 8 50's and have cleared all endgame contenet and have max rank pvp and social and all items and color crystals and titles? really? in one month? Wow, grats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merihim Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I will take ANYONES bet that SWTOR will be free to play in a years time. Open your eyes people, yes it hurts but the fact is it's Sunday afternoon in Europe and the server lists are nearly all STANDARD with 5 or 6 heavy and none full. Most people have already left and another load will be leaving in 5 days time......hardly the stats of a successful game. You're still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurniipKing Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) To be honest, I consider Free to Play to be inevtiable just because there's usually more money to be made that way. But I wouldn't expect to see free-to-play - even very limited free to play (say... free-till level 10) till after we see free trials. Edited January 15, 2012 by TheTurniipKing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 With a release this bad, they'll likely break the game further trying to "fix" things or make further excuses. The game will then go F2P. Talk is cheap. Indeed it is. Every game critic praises SWTOR for delivering the smoothest AAA MMO launch in history, but Polly from the forum knows better. Talk is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurniipKing Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Indeed it is. Every game critic praises SWTOR for delivering the smoothest AAA MMO launch in history, but Polly from the forum knows better. Talk is cheap. By "smoothest launch" they mean "nothing major broke". that's not the same thing as offering a fulfilling gaming experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradivus Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 By "smoothest launch" they mean "nothing major broke". that's not the same thing as offering a fulfilling gaming experience. By "smoothest" the mean "smoother than any other AAA MMO." Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelestrialFox Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Ok then smarty. Tell me one game that was making loads of money, that went F2P and made more money. It is easy to say "except that is not true at all", much harder to back it up. WoW has F2P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nindoriel Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 WoW has F2P Up to Level 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) I will take ANYONES bet that SWTOR will be free to play in a years time. Open your eyes people, yes it hurts but the fact is it's Sunday afternoon in Europe and the server lists are nearly all STANDARD with 5 or 6 heavy and none full. Most people have already left and another load will be leaving in 5 days time......hardly the stats of a successful game. mind if I tell you that you posted this at 1PM 'europe-time'? y'know... people over here have this habit of doing stuff with the family during the day on sunday. a lot of people are probably also having lunch. check again in 4-5 hours Edited January 15, 2012 by amnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelestrialFox Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Up to Level 20 Oh thought they made entire 1-60 content free to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandoArc Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 One thing they can do to for thos of us who will be force to fight level 50 on full set of easy mode CHAMPION GEAR the they did not work for is put expertise on every single piece of level 40 pvp gear and if you where to do this Put Expertise in every single level 40 pvp gear piece we wont need brakets the my kill pvp in this game theres other options and thes put expertise on level 40 pvp gear set and leave the brakets how they are so they stay fast even if you make a level 50 bracket level 50 players whit no real pvp gear will get camp by level 50 on champion gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurniipKing Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) By "smoothest" the mean "smoother than any other AAA MMO." Simple as that. And "a smoother launch" isn't the same thing as offering a fulfulling long-term game experience. The keyword there is "launch". Edited January 15, 2012 by TheTurniipKing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocNessMonster Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The very fact that the game was forced to go to F2P is indicative of failure. They don't go from subscription-based to F2P unless they're making markedly less money than they expected to. There are plenty of reasons why a game didn't get the initial rush. Bigger releases came out that month or there wasn't much of a marketing budget. Some people may just not be interested in paying for a brand they aren't extremely interested in (like DC Universe). DDO couldn't get my subscription money right away, but once they went F2P I tried it out, even bought a few adventure packs and class/races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halofax Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 F2P is a sign of MMO failure. Bioware is preventing this by addressing a lot of problems. Hence the game will not go F2P if Bioware continues to be this responsive and effective. LOTRO went F2P like 3 years ago. I guess all those Expansions they keep releasing are just for show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelColt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It's a misconception that going F2P means an MMO has failed. There are plenty of F2P MMOs that make a profit and are financially successful. They may not be some giant juggernaught, but then, not even P2P mmos are. The second larges AAA MMO out there uses a hybrid P2p and F2P model and it's doing just fine. If TOR was F2P it'd prolly see an even larger playerbase since there are a lot of people who don't wanna fork money on another wow clone, but would be willing to play it if it was free. And from there, if they enjoy the game, they buy things for it. Companies are only ever worried about going F2P if they know their game isn't good. With a P2P model players are essentially blackmailed into playing. They've paid for it and they want to feel justified, they don't want buyers remorse so they keep playing. Then they've spent the time building up their char and would feel bad for just leaving and letting all that money and time go to waste, so they keep subbing. With a F2P model that fear isn't there, so if the game's bad, people will just up and leave without a care in the world. Only good games can survive with a F2P model. So going F2P only marks the death of an MMO if that MMO was a ****** wow-clone to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koyi_Aldira Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 LOTRO went F2P like 3 years ago. I guess all those Expansions they keep releasing are just for show. To follow up on this, I also guess that Guild Wars was a failure, and Guild Wars 2 will be, since they aren't P2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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