So make it about skill and fun rewards instead of betting credits or play by senate rules (no credits in play.)

Except blizzard made their engine and knows how it works and modified and rebuild almost all of it. Hero and BW is not even close, which makes you wonder if they lack that personell skill and needs to hire and get better development resources. But they managed to do a decent job with U3 engine, why not use that? Or their own engine they had before, something seems out of place.

After 7 years of perfection and getting the game to be as good as WoW in 7 years from now can I expect to be able to... Sit on a chair? Your turn, whatcan you do in 7 years from now when this game is as good as WoW?

Would you be happier with a better themepark mmo than this ehm subpar poor excuse of development?

you sir are clueless, eve and swg had less of a grind than SWTOR, feeling wise AN factual, or whatever, feel what you want, that is subjective after all. Second, UO is not sandbox nor is lineage or EQ or WOW thatyou so nicely ninja edit. third, rest of your argument is based on ignorance thus I have nothing to add, peace and cheers for the good laugh.

I never even heard of them until after failureon a forum, wanna know why? because their hype marketing sucked. I know nothing about those 2 gamesyou mention, nothing. Except what I read on this forum from you and others. WHy did I hear about SWTOR? let me see, KOTOR 1 and 2 record sales and I've played them, Star Wars license, EA publisher, Bioware developer, hyped marketed for almost 4 years etc etc conventions adds tv spots you name it. So the question is, do you think SWTOR would not have sold 2million copies?! if it was sandbox? but same launch, hype marketing. I believe numbers would have been the exact same to the letter, only question is what will have higher retention rate and keep more players after a month,I think a sandbox would more than a bad themepark MMO can today.

For the record, I have grinded more in this game than both EVE and SWG combines. As a reply to previous posters who don't even know what sandbox is. Also a game does not have to be either sandbox or themepark. WoW is themepark and offers more freedom (sandbox argument) than SWTOR does and ever will offer, GW2 is not sandbox but offers even more freedom than that. UO was themepark yet people confuse it with sandbox, ask yourself why?! So maybe people asking for sandbox don't mean sandbox, but mean a game that has more freedom than the most claustrophobic and lonely game with least features and freedoms in history out of tripple A MMO's.

So when this fails it means no thempark MMO's can survive, thanks for your insight, may I now leave you with 2 words, EVE, Online.

NR 1 and 2 sandbox MMO's, first one EVE, came without any form of grinding at all, skills are trained but selecting it and wait real life time until finished and can't be speeded up. SWG, profession based system, you could if wanted to grind but you could be any profession besides JEDI faster than it takes to level to 30/35 in this game. Wow is NOT a sandbox, you need to learn about things before you comment on them.

They have stronger numbers today than back then, even after WoW, and everyone I have ever played with in EVE alsoplayed WoW at one point or another, I still have an eve account active but not wow. Fact is, BW hyped this game to be different Then pissed everyone off by not being different from wow or even as good as wow. I think they changed halway through development or even last year because their innovations failed consumer testing and had to quickly scramble together a wow clone with not enough time to make it good.

**** attract flies just as SWTOR attracts trolls, not exactly rocket science.

Can I haz your stuff? oh wait nevermind, I also quit already long ago and would have no use for it.

Your comment said it is not sandbox but more strategy. Sorry that you could not win that argument... And you are still wrong, you can do do no progression, some people I know don't level skills, you can play in an Ibiz and watching the stars, strategy much? Fame, many people avoid fameat all cost some do not give a care about money just be part of corp with a zero bank statement and only play with what is given, many use worst gear possible intentionally unless they fly a ship with no gear or even in a pod and not a ship. At its core you know nothing about EVE, thanks forproving to me that you are a biodrone.

Thanks for answering your own question:rolleyes:

Not going to happen, BW does not know what entertainment is.

If this game is balance then WOW Arenas is the epitome of Esports.

Wrong lol EVE is as sandbox as it gets, you need to go back to school. And why do I say that? Because in EVE I can chose not to ever do anything strategic and still play, which is hard to do with a game like starcraft 2.

Someone told me to go play RIFT so I did, if not for Biodrones I wouldhave missed experiencing a game and entertainment equal to that of starting vanilla WoW for the first time So I am gratefull to all the fanboys, if notfor them I would just not play any MMO and wait for GW2 and other genre games like diablo 3.

Bu.. but they have a whole team just for PVP development:p

Yes they did because LA forced them to. Next? Oh and there are a few sandbox AAA titles on the way, I suggest you, yes you, take the time to look it up, I am too tired to feed trolls.

GameSpy: When it comes to PvP balance: one of our guys who's a big PvP'er was asking me if you have any plans to look at the prevalence of stuns in multiplayer. James Ohlen: Oh, oh, he feels that stuns are too powerful? GameSpy: Yeah, he feels like he's getting stunned an awful lot. James Ohlen: We have a combat team, the combat team's always looking at the community, taking a look at what the major concerns are that people are bringing up. But yeah, if stuns are truly a big issue and they're causing an imbalance, we'll make a change to that. I feel so much better now that their 20th? developer team created just for PVP and its balance are on it and will be fixed now that gamespy told them to:rolleyes:

I would like to but I would settle for a decent ride in a themepark, this ride sucked, you can't hate all burgers just because mcdonalds ones taste bad.

How does one know Bioware does not listen to the community? They wern't aware and did not look into and fix PVP problems like Biochem/stuns etc until Gamespy.com told them in an interview... PS: Can anyone confirm if a single person in game design has played this game? just curious, nothing else.

The Bioware office working enviroment seems fun and nice, not hostile at all.

The whole argument by BW and biodrones that everyone with legit complaints and reasons as to why them quit for being haters is just stupid. Fact is this game has more haters now than all other triple A MMO's, which will reflect in subscriptions coming months. Yes I see haterson even Skyrim forums but they are so few, I also see hater videos of Skyrim on youtube but again they are soo few compared to positive ones. To give an example, do simple check/search on forums and youtube about mass effect 2 and dragon age 2, both have haters but DA2 haters are far more than lovers, ME has more lovers than haters by far. Now check SWTOR and the growing trend. Also ingame I have never come across as many haters and quitters as in an SWTOR server compared to other MMO's. Also funny is seeing forums about SWTOR on sites like MMORPG.com, gamefaqs, neogaf, reddit etc. Or even threads on other MMO's about complaints and returning players or new players who left swtor. Also blogs tons of them becoming more negative, podcasts that started before game release in order to talk about this game has quit or gone under faster than I have ever seen, I even listened to a podcast where it started with love and last dialogue was about how bad the game is and /rage quit, by casuals who supposedly hated wow. Tortanic has become an expression everyone knows what it means. With tons of videos. Even steam forums have bad posts. So either A, subscribe to Biowares and biodrones theory of a mass conspiracy out to get them and and their DA2 and SWTOR games. Or, realise it failed massively, the only good definition for that M before MO in regards to SWTOR.