Ok just wanted to make sure, sorry. Well it's a very involved class. It's not impossibly hard at all its just you have to utilize literally every single ability you have to excel. It requires a lot more effort (and a lot more key pressing) to stay alive. We have utility for so many situations but unless you are quick and can react appropriately you will have a hard time. We are also a little too geared dependent at times too. People think we can jump right in like a juggernaut and do well when really, we are more of a "ninja" type. 1v1 we can really do well, but you have to play smart when it's a group fight. Have to play more of a supportive role by protecting other players and taking out those on low health quicker. Rage is an appropriate word to use, as you really go crazy clicking and pressing all these things on all 4 of your hot bars.

WHAT!? No no no... I'm champion geared, playing against equally champion or (more so) higher geared people. Against very under-geared, it only ever reaches mid 4k for me. But again, on my server not many under-geared people play. They know to play with at least Centurion for that much needed expertise stat. 8k is friggin ridiculous to even call a FACT. 6k is possible, but like so many other people have said in other threads about this subject, 6k is a very specific and rarish occurrence. WZ expertise boost, relic popping and whatever other buffs if it all aligns correctly you can see that number on an equally/under-geared person. But compare 5k to a couple of instant abilities from other classes and its really no different. Sorry if you don't fully understand, but you can't call everything you say facts unless you consistently play every single class and know the in's and out's of every one with equal respective gear.

Is this an honest question? Or a back handed comment? If it's the latter, try playing one if you haven't.

Yes, the game is ruined. It's the end of the game. They should just remove Sorcerers (insert any class here) entirely because they are absolutely useless. Whatever you feel was an issue was the only reason why you did anything and now its like everything doesn't exist anymore. Not changed, but gone. You won't be able to compete AT ALL, or do absolutely anything ever again. There are no other options, and the previous way was all or nothing. 50% of WZ would be sorcerers doing crazy things, but now, oh now you might as well say its a half empty team. I'm a Marauder, yes, but if they "nerfed" whatever for me, I'm not going to cry and act like its literally the end of the world. Some of you are so overly dramatic its ridiculous. I'm going to either continue my spec or try another one and find something that works for me. I'm going to ADAPT to whatever. Big word for many of you there... might sound scary though, don't look up the definition. :-/

50% of the time their cooldown is used on force choke. Resolve plays against us, and unless you are running around trying to 1on1 people, any other competent enemies are beating you up and stunning you with whatever snares they have. You have to pull off the moves without being interupted. But sure, we have plenty of time to hit the smash (unless we miss with it) but still, a 3k hit is seriously NOT a big deal in the WZ's I play. All other classes are able to hit for as much or more. Plus take into account any defensive spells/bubbles or whatever, heals that can negate that damage instantly and so on and so forth. It's sounds like people complain about the idea on paper but don't honestly pay attention to everything else going on with any classes - they pick one move, get hit by it and complain. until the next guy comes along about another class... rinse and repeat.

Well then...I'm starting to feel like I wasted my time with PvP... I mean I do it for fun but I wouldn't have been so hardcore about and would have tried to do other things. The titles don't mean anything to me really. Much rather have done more lvling of other characters and then go hardcore PvP in the ranked WZ after 1.2. :-/ I guess we will have to wait and see the final patch notes in case they decide to make any more changes.

About smash/sweep... don't even go there, its been beaten to death. It takes us time, rage and various moves to pull off 3k 5m "AoE" Hits. Meanwhile, every other class can do that instantly and much more in the same amount of time. it's honestly all we got and it takes a lot more skill to pull off rather then hitting one ability and getting a nice crit... if it even needs to be crit.

BH is the only one I find nice. Guess sage and knight PvE too. Either way, the empire definitely doesnt work compared to the republic side, it's much worse. I'm usually the last guy to have a problem with things... but wow, these don't look that great... at least not for a Star Wars game. :-/

Then why did some other parts of the patch notes make it sound like you still needed valor for things? It said no valor requirement for BM earpieces and implants - nothing about the other pieces. It doesn't make sense :-/

You really... don't have a clue do you? Read the dev tracker and you will see why they didnt disclose class information anywhere until the patch notes. You seriously think they would ever intentionally make some classes useless? You really think they just nerf and buff on a whim and decide to do so based on subscriptions?

I knew we needed love, not nerfs, but I really didnt expect to see all this. I'm really excited! The dropping of rage to those few skills is a huge help. I don't see why other classes complain, because on my server you have to work your *** off to be a viable Marauder. We could use the help since we rely too heavily on gear mostly. The newer 50s doing pvp will definitley benefit from this. Only thing I dont understand is this... "Gravity now specifically affects Crippling Slash and Force Crush." what does that mean?

I'm happy we finally have vendors with stuff for us. We got shafted from a lot of venders like DS vendor and such.

It sounds like you still need to reach rank 60 valor to even get the option to use WZ commendations. That's a lot better than holy luck of the draw with those BM bags - you now earn them more rightfully. I really dont know why so many people were ************ before the patch notes came out about fresh 50's getting BM instantly. That was such a thickheaded rumor... the only thing easily attained for fresh 50's is that new recruit pvp set. All the changes sound amazing! I just need to bust my *** and get another 10 valor ranks for that pvp mount thats going bye bye...

The patch notes are amazing with nearly something for everyone in any aspect. I hope to see more positive threads tomorrow when everyone wakes up, because I find it hard to believe people would be that unhappy with the patch notes.*** ***not including those who complain no matter what those you cant help... there will always be those people.

Have you seen this post? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3459917#edit3459917 It was just posted today. Hopefully this helps you.

What's considered hitting hard?

It would go for everyone, not just melee...

Someone brought up a good question before a WZ about BM bags. I'm nearly valor 54 and wanted to give myself the best chance for BM commendations, and someone brought up this idea. Since you can only have one at a time, after completing dailys/weeklys can you just NOT accept the reward and leave it pending? So technically by the time I reach 60, let's say for random's sake I have 20 pending BM rewards, could you technically stock up pre-hand like this? How long do pending rewards stay there before you lose it, if at all?

At times I do get very frustrated with resolve. Everything is mostly snares, so the resolve bar itself since only based on CC, is extremely underwhelming. There needs to be a separate snare resolve bar, because I think its ridiculous when a class, lets say SI, chain snares with 2 or 3 other players where you literally cant do anything nor move for like 8 seconds.

I played WoW for 1.5-2 years after release. Have been looking for an MMO to replace it since... after all this time and after trying many other MMO beta's, this was finally the winner. Technically, I didn't really come from anywhere though, other than xbox. :-)

This thread is just... full of win. But seriously, I agree with the OP and a lot of you others. I mean I get by and I deal with what I can to make things easier for myself but these changes listed would be VERY welcoming. Tab wasn't doing it for me, so I resorted to keybinding "E" for "nearest target", and any other time I just click when they are in the distance. I got really good at pinpointing those exact clicks for targeting (a skill you would hope to not need) as like others have said, the click box is so damn tiny sometimes. But this works well for me.

What exactly does the sentence or paragraph say about it? I don't see how they would know something as big as a new class before they would announce it here.

Yep, happened to me too awhile ago. I posted about it as well and BW responded saying it was a known issue. Wish it would happen near the beginning of it, not the end though... bad enough waiting for the balloon to come around just to get on it.

A Nar Shaddar like planet with flying mounts would be pretty cool though. Not game-wide, just select planets. Won't argue with that! :-)

Cataclysm is essentially an entire remake of the original continents. That's why it's allowed there now.