You use them to get boxes from pvp vendors with random crafting materials. And I will also add like said before, yea your current champion gear will NOT be changed. The current champion gear is about a “10 rating” better (purple) compared to the new set replacing it (blue). There was a post somewhere confirming that change.

In your opinion, I have done both and WAY more of the first thing, yet I click. I do all of those things, are you saying I wouldn't be able to if I click? Not once have I felt like i'm being hindered by playing how I play.

This is like.... /thread. :-) With all the trolling/insulting in the other thread, we should just leave it at THIS and move on. I don't understand why people are so single minded. This was hardly a discussion, rather an argument and this response pretty much perfectly sums the entire thing up.

I click and do damn well. I bind the normal attack to my right mouse button, and the 2nd most used ability to my middle mouse button. I use the A/S/W/D keys to move/turn while using the mouse to supplement the camera. I bind E to neared target and I click the rest of my abilities. I don't see how using shift/ctrl/alt or whatever other combination is easier then just clicking the exact ability you need. I'm also a marauder though, so I need all 4 hotbars always. I also never really have any bad FPS in WZs so that helps as well, which I can see could slow down the clicking.

I agree with everyone, the idea of extracting mods with a price is a good move, however the price really is too high. I can't remember the numbers but It seems to jump dramatically once you start removing purples compared to blues. Only thing I would suggest is a legacy unlock. Get like a 50% discount to removing mods. Call it “learn to more skillfully pull mods out of items” or something. Or if you feel generous, charge credits from a vendor for some kind of book item that gives it passively without legacy and say you took a “class”. Whatever you guys would want to do.

Wow, you ain't kidding! Looks like I will be spending a whole lot of time customizing my UI. Thanks for the post!

Good news is great news. Welcome! I have a funny "happy" feeling inside for once... what's that about... *shrugs*

Didn't realize how old the thread was, but regardless, this is my biggest issue. It goes for PvE as well and really becomes a pain sometimes when grouping and trying to pull tricky adds away around corners. PvP it's a bigger issue though. Not sure if it will ever be fixed or if its more a complicated problem then we think and won't be.

I'm currently sitting at valor 56. Since they are getting rid of the Korrelias Prince PvP mount, I would really like to hit 65 to get it before it's gone. However, ever since I hit the mid 50's it has felt like forever to rank up. I'm scared of even hitting 60 because I bet it will be crazy after that. (Don't get me wrong, the time/effort is ONLY an issue because of 1.2) I do about 10 WZ a day (or more) to finish the dailys. At this pace, with roughly 3k valor per match, will this even be doable for me? Or do I really have to pull like 20 a day out which is like 5+ hours a day? I'm guessing we have roughly 2-3 weeks tops. I have no idea how much valor is needed in each rank above 56 but it's really starting to increase dramatically so I;m betting it's high.

Really don't know what to say. Everyone in almost every WZ is at least champion/mostly BM so rarely are there any lower geared people to boost any numbers. Also, against the republic there are a lot of full BM premades. Since its objective based games, that doesnt mean they always win though. Sometimes they are too involved with killing they end up losing. So it's not like we never win, either. With ANY class I really don't see 400k that often. A general peak every match is low-mid 300k.

According to some replys in this thread, yea exactly... I agree. Let's have a WZ where the only thing matters IS kills/damage, then people can talk all they want about such discretion. Doing more damage doesn't mean any more than constant attacking and much less objectives.

Good point! This is just the beginning of legacy, stuff will always be added in the future.

Rarely do marauders/sentinels get above 250K on my server with full champion or even BM gear. Only those with BM have ever hit 300k but it's reeeally not that often. I have full champ and my highest was 238k. Honestly Im usually one of if not the top warriors in damage every WZ and still 150k-215k is only where I'm at. The numbers on my server are always so much different that what others always state on the forums for some reason. BH, IA or even SI always top the charts upwards of 300-400k (plus). *shrugs* Maybe it's because it's not about damage and a lot of us are too busy with objective rather then constantly dealing DPS to everything that moves and gets close to you. Maybe we just take the games more seriously. Who knows.

Fully support this thread! Seriously, there are times where I wanted to just bang my head on the keyboard. Incompetent players plus no sense of direction make for a loooong hopeless Civil War WZ. It's better to not say anything at all sometimes so people don't get more confused and HOPEfully they can be smart about which way to go at the start.

They are buffing it? I thought when I read that in the notes I assumed they were making a bigger diminishing return with expertise so its not so inflated. Guess it won't make much of a difference. It's going to be interesting to see how things pan out.

These look a lot more appealing than the other new PvE and PvP gear! Even if they are remakes of previous leveling gear. I'm really happy to see an additional set to seek after. At least you can take some of the pieces and mix them with other stuff if you don't like certain ones.

I just love my Vette, she leads me to be less "sithy" and such. :-)

I'm going to repost this from a different thread that someone asked me the exact same question. I also repeat what others have said which also reinforces the "reasons" for such. It's a very involved class. It's not impossibly hard at all its just you have to utilize literally every single ability you have to excel. It requires a lot more effort (and a lot more key pressing) to stay alive. We have utility for so many situations but unless you are quick and can react appropriately you will have a hard time. We are also a little too geared dependent at times too. People think we can jump right in like a juggernaut and do well when really, we are more of a "ninja" type. 1v1 we can really do well, but you have to play smart when it's a group fight. Have to play more of a supportive role by protecting other players and taking out those on low health quicker and such. Rage is an appropriate word to use, as you really go crazy clicking and pressing all these things on all 4 of your hot bars like mad.

Do they ever even announce when they make changes to patch notes on the PTS? They might not even say anything. We won't know until the thing goes live and we compare the notes ourselves.

They didn't say, just that we have a special vendor just for us at the fleet. :-)

Don't ask why, but I thought you were going to finish the topic title with a rhyme... lol Honestly, I find ways to keep myself busy. If I get bored doing something i'll make sure to find something else. There is a lot I have yet to do but can't due to schedule restrictions - such as raiding. So I have to find stuff elsewhere and I always find something. Just me though.

They changed it...? I honestly didn't even notice. Gonna have to check that out...

You aren't per say, but I have been reading so much crap since last night when the notes were released and so many of them sound like that. Sorry, it's getting really irritating to read all of this and I kinda took it out on this thread.

I'll just add, you can change professions. You have to delete the current ones and start over with whatever new ones. If you mean have 2 separate professions, then... that's not something you will find in this MMO probably ever. Each profession essentially needs 1 or 2 other skills to craft anything so thats a lot of crew skills per one person. The whole economy would be nuts and yea, no need to get into why really...

Yea, this is really upsetting. Especially to see first time posters come on here JUST to express there dissatisfaction. Each class should have a theme, much like when you lvl up to 50, and the final gear sets should completely reflect that. I hate to really criticize the armor.... but it just doesn't seem right for the game. Less is more, and in this case that little artistic tip could go a LONG way when designing set armor. Some of those are so un Star Wars it's not even funny.