Not a lot of people posting in slinger forums since Bioware hates this class and nerfed it so hard its nearly unplayable.

Bioware doesn't care about our class....thats why they took our minor hots away.

Well I dont care what BW thinks. I'm not here to make friends. Im here to pvp as a hobby/spare time thing. I don't even do PVE stuff unless it helps my PVP gear. The more BW messes around and ticks off PVP players, the more that will quit playing.

Either do not allow premades OR if they are in a group of 2 or more, only queue them with equal groups. That or allow single players to be queued with other single players. Not hard to fix. All I have faced in PVP is premades in 4s and 8s. It has made PVP unfair/Not fun.

Not really that hard. Put a config option in PREFERENCES to either ALLOW or DENY auto summon of companion. This is a switch easily done in something as simple as Python, so I don't see how a really big game like this where that is an issue.

Bumping this up. I'm getting sick and tired of my companion auto appearing every time I log in via my guild FS or anywhere for that matter.

1. Crafted CCs in PVP (no other game I can think of allows this). 2. Premades in general in unranked PVP and premades who don't play objectives but just farm DPS/kills. I'm sitting in this BG right now, they haven't done anything but farm kills. PERIOD. 3. Still, slinger/sniper is the easiest class to farm kill. No defense, no heals, lackluster DPS. One on fears slingers. 4. Operatives still owning everyone in BGs. Not even close. The state of PVP right now is an utter joke.

Same 4 players every match, That's a premade. Same 4-6 plays in 6 mans, so while not a full premade, might as well be. Where they aren't even playing objectives or trying to win, they just tunnel 1 player at a time in a 1 v 8 situation all match long, camp our spawn site and with a few seconds left, they finally cap the ball and win. How's that fun? Same in 4s. Same 4 people vs a pug, getting steam rolled. Not fun. This is what Bioware intended. To make PVP as miserable as possible so that most of us would just quit. They'll end up eventually with the same problem they had in ranked PVP. Extremely long queues, facing the same people every match. Two things will happen. Either Bioware will wake up and stop allowing teams to queue unraked PVP (bonus, balance out the classes!) or, people will just quit SWTOR for good. Guardian/Juggernaut in PVP spec.

I play on my DPS tank today. 0-11 (to finish up arenas). Did not win a single match, was always against premades. That is how PVP will go since Bioware does not care about removing premades from BGs/Arenas. Eventually, only premades will play. The rest of us who wanted fair/even PVP matches (which in 10+ years we never got), will just quit the game.

And let us earn in PVP the same 336 gear PVErs are getting. Some of us can't do PVE or just dont find it enjoyable. I'd rather earn my full high level gear set beating on other players (except Operatives, they are still OP AF).

All the people I see in BGs now are wearing 335/336 gear. They PVE. They get all the goodies. Those of us who have great disdain for PVE crap, no gear.

Well since 75% of the people playing this game apparently care more about PVE than PVP, then I guess we PVP players have no voice. That explains a LOT, actually. Again, I need to find a game like this that is PVP focused, not PVE focused. PVE makes me want to BARF.

Then I need to find a PVP Centric game. PVE bores me to tears. I'd rather scrape my eyeballs out than do PVE.

Not sure I believe that but only BW has the real #s. Given the complaints are mostly around PVP I cant see where PVE is the cash cow.

Well I agree with the OP but lets be fair. It's been 10+ years of unbalanced PVP, and Bioware still will not do anything about it! Why? Because they believe their $ cow is PVE, but a good majority of players still find PVP the more interesting aspect of the game. We still have Operative/Scoundrel class that dominates PVP. We still have Snipers/Slingers that are so weak in PVP it's not even worth playing. Healers are struggling to keep up without a tank. DOT spec for Sage/Sorc is OP. What on EARTH makes anyone thing BW is going to do anything to help level the PVP playing field, after a decade? They won't. They never will. They think of those who PVP as not important. If we were they would have addressed this debacle years and years ago when we complained about it.

I just look at basically what he thinks the rotation is and what gear, etc and then I figure out from that what tends to work best.

Heh. I've seen them. 1. He doesn't show his real spec when he plays. 2. He has no life, so he knows what everyone is doing

I hear you, but at the same time, I would say the game is far more dominated by PUG players (solo) than groups. I see this game is trying to encourange grouping for PVP, whereas someone like me likes to play against another pug. I really do not like facing ranked/premade players and yes, they do use voice. No other way to explain how everyone in 1/2 second can turn on 1 player. Even typing that is too fast.

Correct. So if you have 4 people grouped, then you need to wait in the queue for another 4 person group. If you are in a 4+ group, you need to wait for the exact # of people in the same group before the queue pops. See, what they did was to overcompensate for ranked players who had to wait in a queue, got tired of it, grouped for unranked and are now decimating other teams (teamspeak, coordination, proper group setup, etc). This does NOT help or make the general community happy, which are not ranked players and don't queue as a group (90% of the players). So to appease 10% of the players, they anger the 90%. IMHO, just don't allow people to group for PVP. That solves that problem once and for all. If 10% quit the game because they can't queue and WRECK other players, so be it. But I'd rather see the needs of the many met, instead of the needs of the few.

My reply applies to anyone who posts the L2P and "Deal with it" messages, those are from usually premade ranked players.

You are missing the point. Facing premades all day long in 4s and 8s against pugs isn't about "laziest excuse to not learn to adapt" is really lame. If you're a good player stuck in a pug, and that pug is getting rick rolled every match to a premade, there's no amount of adjusting you can do to resolve that issue. You cannot make so-so PVP players any better. Heck, most of them do not even read chat. How do you expect a rag tag bunch of average pvpers to stand up to a premade group who almost ALL of them come from RANKED premades using comms to coordinate attacks? You're essentially saying "So when you face a bunch of Abram's tanks, and your pug has only M-16s, just learn to adapt". That is how nonsensical the pro premade posts are, having no sense of reality what a pug is facing EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

Just let grouped teams go against grouped teams. End of story. If the wait time is long, THEY CAN DEAL WITH IT. The rest of us, who just want to pvp without having to face premades all day long, the SAME PREMADE ALL DAY LONG, are going to just stop playing the game. I do not understand why a small group of premades get more attention than the vast majority of pug players who just want to get their weekly PVP objectives done without taking a week to do so because every match we face is a premade. I don't care what happened with ESO. We had ranked, BW couldn't get that sorted out, now they are bringing the same problems that ranked had to unranked PVP. Do they not think that is going to cause more issues? Heck, they can't even get class balance sorted out (see: Operatives, now add Balance Sage/Sorc to the mix). I've said it 100 times. There is no need to have group, ranked teams in unranked PVP. They should queue solo like everyone else. Most of the time they'll end up with their friends anyway.

Dude, the speed sword slingers have is atrocious. I can barely start the map, if I happen to get entrenced and hunkered down, then what? Get a little bit of DPS off before they rick roll you. Try to roll, most can intercept you and stun you right there. Maybe I have lag or they're using some cheats, I dunno, but my slinger is trash. Was much better back when I at least got some hots when I had to hunker down. You compare this to operatives who do literally 1-2M healing and much more than that in damage AND have better defenses, why play slinger at all? I actually laugh at Slingers when I am on any other class. I can literally see the difference. Even good slingers are toast when I get on them. Sure, a few knock backs, but my Sentinel has 3 ways to get on them and stun them before they can do anything. You can't really kite, and I've not see any good slingers be able to kite since 7.x was launched. They're just instant toast. The only slingers that live are those guarded by a tank.

PVP in general is toxic right now. Worse than I've ever seen it. And that's not even counting the disparaging classes that just rick roll you by breathing on you. Fun stuff (NOT!). Everyone I talk to in PVP is upset at the game right now. They could not have destroyed the game more than they have right now.

Then you must not be facing teams of sword slingers who tunnel you, you roll, they charge you again and stun you out of any type of cover (which really doesn't reduce much of anything) and if you are lucky to have a healer, she's train CCd. Literally there's no room to get distance and DPS. Hats off to you if you enjoy your slinger. After I cap (probably in a week) on PVP objectives, I am putting my slinger away and never touching it again. And if I find 4/8s stay unbalanced, I am done with this game for good.