You. Are. Wrong.

This is not an exploit and Mind Maze fills resolve bar after being used twice on a target.

Yep, KW has always been underrated. Good work.

Camping a bunch of lowbies single-file = open world pvp?

Must be a server specific thing, repubs on mine do great there.

Shadows and Assassin are limited by stances, why aren't Sages/Sorcs? Good fkn question.

I fkn love Huttball as a Shadow, IMO, it's better than Voidstar.

Subpar relative to what? WoW?

I agree, Voidstar has terrible design. I like the other 2 WZ's much better. You either have heals or you don't.

I'm just saying there are tiers.

You know what I do when I decide I can't catch and kill my target fast enough? I get out of combat and go back into stealth so I can open with Hidden Strike+Acid Blade again. Not to mention the ranged skills Operatives also have, are they on your bar? They aren't as good as your melee stuff, but you can use them. "The other stealth melee class" does not have castable healing abilities, or Medium Armor, or a Shield Probe, or an AOE mez. When you note only the disadvantages of your class and only the advantages of other, you sound like a damn biased fool. l2p mother****er.

I just have deep empathy for this sad and pathetic AC, I feel as if I'm stealing candy from a child whence I smash a Sniper's face in.

Mind Maze is great and available to all Shadow specs, no one is debating that; we're talking about how relative trash the deep Infil spec is, even more specifically when you're in BM gear - what I've been saying since December, you know that sick Force Breach damage you build up 5 stacks for? Operatives open with that damage and don't need stacks, just stealth, I have an Operative and you should roll one as well if you want your own comparison between Inf and Concealment/Scrapper. Even more so now with the buffs to the other trees and nerf to hybrids, why do you think there are so many 31/0/10 PvP streamers/vids going around? I would love if the scenario you described is how actual fights go down, I don't know how one can screw up, combat isn't exactly fast-paced, resolve is simple, and learning the basics of a given tree doesn't take long, the higher skill cap really comes from knowing the other classes and their debuff/buff effects and graphics/icons. As Kinetic I have SO MUCH leeway against BM yoyo Assassins/Shadows it's not even funny. And I haven't even begun to talk about the superior utility and survivability offered by the other two trees. tldr; the deep Infil tree/Shadow Tech sacrifices a lot to do a little more damage. One of the most naive things I've heard all month. I'd quit the game if I ever got killed by a lone Sniper in their current form.

Imo it's pretty crappy for PvP aside from multiple cap interrupting. Great for PvE.

And if you played a mirror of yourself Kinetic would win, the game isn't exactly very deep.

Yeah, I notice I eat Infil/Deception specs alive as Kinetic, it's never close. No surprise now days I see more and more Shadows foregoing Shadow Tech for one of the other two. The Infiltration tree should be renamed "Inferior". I would not be surprised if the Balance and Kinetic tree got nerfed since BW likes to nerf things instead of make the useless thing viable.

How do people like Gabe Amatangelo get hired

I think Huttball is one of the well designed WZs, if anything, Voidstar needs to go.

Amen, it's always a terrible idea to have to put in "punishments" and arbitrary rule after rule to get people to rigidly play how you want them to play instead of letting communities form.

I could've told you this last year son.

Way to reveal yourself as an Illum abuser, I was a fully geared BM by r64. Because, you know, I'm Republic and had to work for it.

Sure, then also remove group queuing.

...and I don't even waste a cooldown for it.

Yep, people should want to make more of a conscious effort to be knocking Snipers out of cover; frankly, it doesn't matter right now.

They just don't do anything better in a WZ than other classes. I don't play Sniper but roll them all day, it's getting sad. The "high skill cap" argument is tired and old, high skill caps don't exist in most MMORPG's, especially not SWTOR.