Actually BW already stated they are adding combat logs, in a week after that there is dmg meters.

Idd, we got combat log and meters through already so have to make compromises.

To see harder fights.

Forum posters doesnt mirror how genral playerbase feels, not for or against addons. All i know is that combat logs are coming and week after that we got dmg meters in use. Thats pretty much all i want.

This might possibly be the first thread on ToR forum history where 2 opposite sides has come to an constructive agreement on debated issue and it took only 70 pages.

Well things usually might change if they add bottleneck bosses but if someone gets kicked from guild when rough ride starts, he prolly was better without em anyway. Guild that doesnt use meters at all, would prolly start to use em when they start wiping on some future boss but thats another issue.

Coming. And many of us use mouse button and gaming keyboard macros!, Just kidding ofc, that would be against the rules.

I never asked it for doing flashpoints with randoms or pug raids. It would do lots of good for raiding guilds of various levels and to make content more challenging, NM modes that is and its fully up to guild leader and guild philosophy if they use it or not.

Not just NM modes, it was a great toold for casual raid guilds in WOW also that wasnt so triggerheavy to kick people but instead help em. The dmg meter feature should be optional to every guild to use or not to use. There would be plenty of guilds that use it and plenty who wouldnt. Guild leader/s can decide if the guild uses it for radind any difficulty level content and it can be used so that only leader or class officers can see it or that everyone in raid can see it.

They had it in beta and BW already stated that combat log is coming.

Stop beeing lazy and use landline like real men do.

Dont talk on behalf of the community, there aint single proof that dmg meters ruined community, it existed from first months of WoW, unless it did it over 8 years ofc which i doubt.

It could be guild feature where guild leader/s can decide if their guild uses it or not.

Just cause the tool is missused by some people aint a reason to deny it from the majority. I dont mind if they allow it to be used only in guild formed raids. flashpoints and pug raids can do without. They could add is at somekinda guild feature prevent missuse. Then guild leader can decide if the guild uses it or not, that would allow making nightmare modes into a real nightmare modes and tool for min maxers and hardcore raiders to work with, and average guilds which most would use it as an option.

Well logs are coming and week from that we have meters, thats all i need well, maybe better raidframes and beeing able to use custom UI wouldnt hurt.

I cant promise anything, i see lots of childish bantering already, with or without meters there will be childish bantering if they ever add harder fights. Just cause you and some other players had issues with people that used meters wrong doesnt mean automatically that it destroys community. In WoW there was meters from molten core, from first raid up to date and reason why it was miss used wasnt cause there was logs and meters, it was few people using it wrong, jsut as gearscore was great addon if used correctly on evaluating potential performance of differently geared people when creating a pug but it was used badly. Reason why WoW community got "ruined" as some might say wasnt due any addons or mods, player base simply just grew too big and so did the demands on instant gratification due the whole gaming as whole changed in last 9 years a lot also anonymity offered by cross server features added some to that. You saying that dmg meters destroys communities is just your oppinion and is not based on any real life eveidence or statistics, i never saw much harm cause by it except on occasional BH pugs. Im sorry if it destroyed community for YOU but dont speak its some kinda fact or in voice of majority of community. Ill guess well see in few months when BW adds logs and week from that when we got meters in use.

Yes, and you have an option to use or not to use meters and logs Or dont have to do min/maxing or need cookie cutter spec, I dont see any problem here.

No one is measuring their epeens. Like said, may people want to play with people that have same mindset with em. When they add logs and meters in near future, there is plenty of people like you that wants to play for your idea of fun and with different specs and with no serious manner. If they realy make 3 different difficulty levels with nightmare modes beeing for hardcores and normals for casuals you can then play with people you wish to on the difficulty level that suits for your groups mindset and skill level. I surely know that some of our guild memebrs that raided so far wont get into a raids anymore except as replacements but thats our guild and same goes for many other "hardcore" guilds. There is much more casual guilds then for people that aint so serious to raid with. Nothing to do with Epeen.

Whole content is funny, i said IF they ever add hard fights, like many thought that nightmare modes would be. Now NM modes are cleared by most casual of casuals so doesnt really matter what spec anyone is or what dps anyone does.

If it isnt profitable, i can see why there aint no mac support. There is strong rumours that new Modern Warfare wont have PC version anymore cause it aint worth it. Times are changing.

Thats what endgame raiding is all about, your 15 teamates wont see your funny build as amusing as you do when your group keeps wiping if they ever add content with any challenge in this game. There is SUPPOSED to be easier modes for like minded people that dont want to play cookie cutter setup or optimal rotation.

Because NM modes are made so easy due the fact that you cant tune your raid group for harder content atm, but in few months when we have those logs, many people may lose their raid spots or try to get better. Or you know, do content that is more suitable for their skilllevel after harder content is added, with people that are mind liked and equally skilled/dedicated.

This game aint WoW? since when.

So what is best spec, what is best rotation, are they actually using that rotation to the max, what if they lie?

I would rather remove people from the raid for a reason instead of a hunch.