Its different to talk about game getting dull after 8 years than after 2 months.

None of em had SW sticked on it cant carry the game for a very long time alone.

People in free month are counted in that number. This game doesnt have 82% retention rate. But i guess he means why they havent sold much copies after christmas and if the hype is gone, seems so. Real paying sub figures we will see in about 25 days.

Not really, it was due other issues. Combat logs and meters has been in almost every MMORPG game for last 15 years in a form or another and will continue to do so, it didnt lead into those problems in other games either. WoW had dmg meters in molten core already so why it got miss used by some people in WoTLK was due other issues. Gearscore was a good tool to see gear potential fast on people when forming pug raids, reason why it was missused was cause there shoulndt have been pug raids in the first place, when you give those tools to bad nonraiders, they might blow in the face.

So will GW2. Maybe he lives further in the future, i mean he raided 40 years ago as he said earlier so why not 40 years in future also and tell us how games are gonna be then.

Yeah, well this thread aint really aimed for you then.

Actually they sold 2 mil in about 45 days most of em at release and they had 1.7 mil people playing where 850k up to 1.7 mil were paying subs, rest on free month.

So why choose this game, why not any other game?

Well ToR operations on all difficulty levels are pretty close to it, just go raiding whatever peoplein guild, clear nightmare modes in a evening get purple pixels. There was supposed to be 3 difficulty levels to cater for all kinda raiders, but there is only one.

2004 =/= 2012 70 mil=/= 300 mil

I doubt that any game company will make games for such a small amount of players these days but i guess you can always hope.

Sorry, meaning with the gear ofc an visual upgrades just like in WoW apart of t2 weapon which wasnt gamebreaking. Other than that, i dont mind anyones ranking, in a pug or not, everyone got same chance, ratings gives titles and visual upgrades. Im just saying that if random people wants to get into solo queue, i hope they know what they are asking for, skill can only take you to some level untill you start to meet organized premades with vent and good class setups, and that level aint very high. But if it was up to me, i can agree to having solo queue to rated matches in smae ladder with premades.

I agree on what you said, just wanted to hear specifics on that backstabbing part. I raided myself from first days of MC up to Algalon and more casually in ICC and didnt raid in cata anymore. I hated the gear handouts, and having different difficulty levels, there was really anything special feel on downing same boss on hardmode that other people were downing on normal like it was in Sunwell or old naxx, 4 HM comes to mind. But you have to admit that there was few veryhard hardmodes in ulduar, lich king with low buff and on top HC ragnaros, it wasnt just worth it anymore cause everyone was gettting same gear and doing same bosses on normal.

Not really, i dont mind if they add solo feaure in the ladder aslong as they fight within same rules as premades and in same ladder. What i meant for rating reqs, it was men to be as so you cant buy gear just with points you get each week but without any decnet rating cause it would just make whole system trivial and mainly for farming best gear for free.

rofl, like this lasts so long.

I dont mind pugs in same ladder with premades, just have to sort rating requirements on gear to prevent gear handed out just for participating. Im not afraid by pugs in any means, no randomly made pug via LFG tool wont reach 2k rating in WoW, or equivalent rating in TOR.

Stabbed how? I kinda understand that, making normal and HC modes of same bosses was a big mistake for rading community but HC modes still provided max challenge on many bosses, was it worth it anymore like it was in Sunwell or old naxx? Not for me. Just curious on whats your take on that backstabbing comment?

This thread is not about future of MMORPG gaming, its about combat logs and TOR which is exactly like WoW except lot easier and we hope it would change, difficulty level that is, game is already what it is.

What determines SWTOR's failure? Next couple of months.

We are not talking about addons here, but combat logs and parsers are past, present and future of MMORPGs, its just a tool to analyze the fights and to identify players that aint palying at a level they are supposed to. Logs or meters has been in almost every MMORPG since UO in a form or another, baseline features or mod based, also in your belowed EQ1. Edit: what comes to Darkfall and Tera, those has different combat system and numbers doesnt show same role than in generic MMOs, but sicneTOR is one its same as saying modern warfare 3 doesnt have combat logs.

No it wont, players are ofc ranked indicidually, but in pug you dont have any control of group setup, you cant sort any tactics before hand, unlikely ingame either, you cant evaluate player performance in a match by dmg/healing done, objectives done etc. Your next win or loss is based totally on luck you cant have any control over. If you think ranked matches are gonna be for anyone else than 8 man premades, you are delusional. For those people that dont want organized competive PvP there is normal Wzs to play just like now, rated ones will be "endgame" of PvP.

I guess so, 2 out of 8.

It wasnt harder as a fight, best wow guilds would walk over it in no time, you think it was harder causr your 72 man raid wasnt composed out of good players only, it was composed out of people that had very different skill level. Also competition for raid spots wasnt so serious. People back then used to be generally worse players skillwise than players today.

So, did you ever kill any hard bosses in the game?No Did you ever particiapte in hardcore raiding? No Do you know anything about WoW raid difficulty? No Did guilds blow through naxx or AQ40 in a month of release or at any point before TBC?No Did guilds blow through Sunwell 1 month after release or before they nerfed it? No DiD guilds low through HC ulduar after 1 months, or even 3 months after release? No Did guilds Blow throguh HC ICC 25 1 month after release? No Did guilds blow through HC ragnaros in 1 month after release or at any point? No Have you ever participated in serious raiding in WOW? No

sentinel is advanced class, jedi knight can be tank or dps, adn slinger for smuggler which can be dps or healing. What comes to point 2, you wont be able to do that in ToR either in high rated games. Also for your DK tank, there was total of 1 viable tank in high rated RBG play, at 2.3-2.8k rating i saw zero BLood DKs, 1 prot paladin, 0 tank druid. Taking anythign else than prot warrior was serious gimping of your team, ofc it was possible but with +150 games of ranked twin peaks and WSG i can say it was almost impossible to meet a team with one and for good reason. What comes to hybrids in most cases, i agree with you, there is no reason to take an hybrid over a "pure" spec in good teams.