I am pretty sure for DPS balancing BW uses emulations like SimC. For PvP balance BW uses end of the game scoreboard from Lv11 thru 50.

Not really, it has less main stat more endurance. People are just concerned about the lack of option that certain AC has. Its like before they put in modifiable foci and generators, DW AC have it easy mode and can achieve higher expertise cap/stat cap/better stat distribution. People QQed about how minuscules it is mathematically but inequality is inequality. What happen when BW tell you oh [insert your class here] cannot put augments on relics and implants and earpiece but all other 7 ACs can, for no reason. How does that make you feel.

Really you just realize all these today? FotM Mara/Sin/Pt has always been there with 1.4 throw in smashingmonkeys. But oh well, at least I got Mara/PT covered myself.

It's viable, not the best but its viable. Lets just say this... (assuming same gear level) Good Ops players can slightly outperform baddie [insert better dps AC here] players. Great Ops players can slightly outperform good [insert better dps AC here] players. That being said, a "Great" Mara/Merc/Sniper/PT will wtfpwnlolrickroll the best ops due to the class limitation hence why OPs DPS are not sought after in both PvP and PvE. tl;dr When all classes are performing at peak, operative dps fall behind, but it's still viable as one of the crappiest dps AC but still viable because SWTOR is casual game, its fine to carry some operatives depending on the groups.

Yea like how I burst my bubble stuns on 5 guys and have our 3 smasher to triple gib them instantly. You must not play with good players. AoE stun 2 to 3 warriors smash and you have bunch of corpses. You still dont get it? every class can focus on someone only derpasmashers can focus on up to 5 people at a time.

So its ok for you to get chain stunned while under attack but not for others? According to your post you are implying your derpasmasher get stunned 3 times and you automatically die. Wow are you stupid or something? or just trolling? Man you must be playing with excessive amount of derpasmash to get to that level of derpaness and fail you see your own hypocrisy with your own stupid post reply.

Or, force charge -> enemies stunned -> enemies stunned -> enemies stunned -> smash and 5 people die.

Negative, I have 4 toons (Sorc/Mara/PT/Operative) with fully AND OPTIMIZED WH. Yet I dont twink, and I have my 3500/2000 at Lv 44. I do have full set WH waiting for me and sitting on 50 million credit, but I never bothered make anything for my sub 50 toons, since they are gonna hit 50 anyways. I tried to twink my Sin, but decided its utterly stupid and hit 50 on him as well (after twinking for about 2 weeks).

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Pyro PTs without 1. their 4s stun (1m cd) and 2. their aoe stun (45s cd) has no counter to the ravage or even worse the dreaded gore ravage from a carnage mara. (note I only included CDs that will nearly completely negate or will completely cancel the effect of ravage channel) Sin has 1. electrocute, 2. force speed, 3. overload, 4. whirlwind 5. force cloak (i know deflection also offer 50% defense but we will let it slide since 50% is too rng), for all spec to counter/stop ravage channel then add low slash (deception spec). But its no news, Sin the most versatile fotm in game so lets look at other ACs. Mara has 1. Force Choke, 2. Intimidating Roar, 3. Force Camo, 4. Obfuscate (6s, -90 accuracy) 5. Undying Rage (well it kinda works makes gore ravage fully crit'ed for 150 damage instead of 15000 =P. Juggie has 1. Force Choke, 2 Intimidating Roar, 3. Force Push, 4. Backhand (spec) 5. Their blade ward passive grants 2 second weapon damage immunity (can be used to completely avoid the 1st 2 ticks or the last tick). Sorcs (see sin, but without force cloak and low slash) Sniper has 1. Debilitate, 2. Cover Pulse, 3. Evasion (100% defense), 4. Flashbang 5. MM spec Ambush has 8m KB but have to start casting early due to long casting. Only thing that has as crappy defense against ravage is Merc 1. 4s class stun, 2. Jet Boost. (thanks to BW removing rocket punch KB). While PT is not the worst (since merc rival PT's CC crappiness) most classes simply have much much much more options they can use in the case to stop ravage. PTs are far squisher than say rage Juggie/Mara which also has higher burst with the most powerful AoE capability (and countless number of defensive CDs). Not saying PT has no issue, but if PTs do have issues, then derpasmash is actually much worse.

They are usually the supporters that preach about "gear grind sucks", "remove all gears", "pvp should be all about skillzzzzz". Yet they min/max a twink at 49 so they can play "fairly" against Lv11s.

I kinda miss all those 2 button riftwalk spamming dizziness of PvP pwnage. Good days.

It's passive skill and it does remove all cleansable debuffs but it's tricky to use vs say pyro dots with a projectile delay. Because you can pop vanish than dodge to remove all dots but their dots can land 0.1 second after you self cleansed because the delay which will dot you and will kick you back out of stealth.

Coming from an operative, the "shooting syringe" animation you are talking about gives it away very easily and grabs unnecessary attention (like commando's "green beam of kill me now"). As well as the self injection because you hold a green injector while casting stuff and entice people to interrupt you. Also self heal invoke different animation is actually very bad, people dont even need to look at target of target window and can tell if you are self-healing or not. Scoundrel has really really crappy animation that all look the same, people actually have to read what you are casting so they dont interrupt the wrong thing which is a small advantage scoundrel healer has. This is the same reason why sages usually gets less attention compare to sorcs yellow bland pebbles vs bright blue giant flashing lightning... yea

Derpasmash plus a operative pocket healer... making pot5 people look really stupid. I mean according to the video anyways.

You dont really need keybinds for certain spec. So dont discount him for his derpasmash pwnage!!!

lol derpa derpa smashhhhh lol lol derpa derpa woooo smash derpa derpa lolololol derpa smash lolol derpa derpa herp de derp smashhhhh keke lol derpasmashhhhhhh derp derp der... STUNNED... cant smash... *** NERF STUN NOW.

Rofl. Scrapper dps is great if your sentinel/gunslinger/commando friends fail big time and have no idea how to play as dps on those classes,

What's the point of this thread? Assassins has always been competitive and on par as Marauder and PT and dominating in flexibility and utilities for group play. Assassin is also one of the best solo class as well. 1.4 even focused buffed their weaker tree and made them better overall. Show us some merc DPS owning it up and slaughtering all the fotm PT/Mara/Sin in ranked WZ or something. There's no point showing us how to win with one of the biggest fotms.

Smugglers can be a gunslinger or scoundrel just fyi in case you have no idea. Gunslinger is like sniper... you know the guy with a gun with really long barrel sometimes with a sniper scope? Thats shooting people from 35m away? Gunslinger is like that.... you know... like ranged... you know. tl;dr for the derps, Gunslingers and Scoundrels are both smuggler.

Pre-50 is different. Same reason why sorc dps dominating sub50 yet one of the worst dps class to take to a rwz. And I have plenty of guildies that leveled sorc to 50 because they dominated sub 50 wz just to find out they arent the hawt sheeeeeeet they thought they are going to be, most if them retired it shortly after hitting 50 after few upsetting wz experience and moved onto sin instead.

You are perceived as squishy target with no real defensive cd just like sages. Wear something that make you look like a sentinel helps a little. Get some orange weaponmaster shells.

Wrath CL hitting 5 people (it doesnt auto crit btw) for 1.8k-3.5k is nerfed but derpasmash can always crit up to 5 people for 6k vs full WH to 9k vs no expertise is fine. But it's different they are melee warriors so their AoE should do triple the damage. Oh and DEV really dont know how other classes works, they play sith warriors.

Rage/Focus definitely not one of them... Well I can smash a sage for 4k+ routinely in recruit MK2. You claim your full BM and can only do 2.5k. Did you replace all the BM mods with Lv30 green armoring/mods/enhancements?

It's because scoundrel/operative dps (especially played right) usually dont come anywhere close to the top damage ladder. SWTOR is a casual game, there are plenty of baddie noob players. Their sole purpose is to worship the top damage getters and their only mean of determining who is good and who is bad is via how much total damage shows up on the scoreboard. The value of dps scoundrel isnt really the ability to spam damage (you are not derpasmasher or the type like those). You are more like a quarterback of the team (minus all the aura of being a star), you have to read the field, read the fight. Identify who the core target is and who to take out that will hinder the enemy team the most. Your sole purpose is simply know your enemies as a whole and hit them where they hurt the most. Even if you lead your team to victory, very few would recognize it (swtor is a extreme casual game and most players have no clue *** is going on other than 500k is greater than 300k that shows on the end of the match scoreboard). Just play the game however you like really. You are definitely not BW's favorite class. And it will take a lot more effort to achieve something fotms could do while pounding their heads on their keyboards. Live with it. If you want to faceroll you picked a wrong class, reroll one of those monkeyderpasmashers, vanguards or shadows if thats what you want. Good news tho, by switching to full heal, your value will easily quadruple to the common eyes and your usefulness will easily match other fotm monkeys because you ARE the most OPed healer in game (pvp wise), not so much as DPS tho.