Theres no point in making aussie servers. No one is going to play on them. All us aussies already brought and played the game and realised its not the game we where looking for.......

I was only 4 in 1981, so i didnt have a controller in my hand yet, 5 more years i was gaming though. Ive hapilly owned an intellevision, C64,sega master system, amiga and a plethora of other gaming systems and have played thousands of games of every genre. I still remember playing wizardry 7 ( and mapping out the whole game on paper ), it took me months and months, after school, sports etc....One of my best gaming memories that game... Wow i raided pretty hardcore for 5 years till it turned carebear. Tor ive played for 2 months , hit cap, and even though i LOVE star wars, The ip isnt enough to keep me here. Tor is basically fisher price:my first raid, heck its fisher price: my first computer game... The game is WAY too easy and forgiving. Might as well just mail us credits and gear its that easy. I quit wow because it become " casual friendly " , why the hell would i migrate and play an even easier game... PS. Although skyrim is a shameless console port, with a few mods ( and most importantly ) the difficulty turned up harder, its actually quit an awesome game.. Ahh the days of daggerfall, where random enemies spawned when you least expected them nor wanted them to.....

You speak the truth. The thing is, by catering to the crowd BW did with tor, Its actually killing of gaming as a hobby.. Thats the saddest part. Like ive mentioned elsewhere on the boards, i actually go around and search for games that are coming out that challenge the player. I went out and brought a PS3 just so i could play dark souls ( it was woth every penny, best game ever ). Easy / casual / quick / entitlment = boring REALLY quick. After a few months, your done..Whats the point of it? Why not make it a little harder / longer ( the game , that is ) as im sure casuals will buy it regardless and , you know, the lesser skilled might actually get better at gaming if the bar is raised??? All this ease of gameplay does is promote more bad players each day. soon , good gamers will actually be getting paid to come help run and organise any raids in the future .lol

Im in the same boat as you and have played wow for 5 years, rift for 3 months. I can safely say ill never go back to wow though, way to casual and carebear these days and rift was just wow dressed up nicer. Tor is as carebear easy as wow and just as shallow... Sigh.... I guess ppl like me are back onto the bandwagon, with our sights set on gw 2 for " the next best thing ". I hope Gw 2 doesnt fail, as im starting to get mmo ( a GOOD mmo ) withdrawl...

Wow, this is spot on. I could never write something so grand if i tried. This written right here is the dead set truth. Every last word of it..... BW and all future mmo developers need to read this and understand we DONT WANT a quick and easy game...... IMO i honestly think the damage is done here and cannot be repaired. You cannot have this super easy, casual game going on then one day turn around and say, right folks, we are going to make questing longer and hardr, FP and operations will now be very skill based, no more tank and spank, every person in that raid has to be switched on , crafting will become more complex etc etc.

Its one reason why im saying goodbye. Im 34 years old, have been gaming for over 25 of them, i think this EASE of gameplay is an insult to any real older gamers around the globe... I did flashpoints,crafting, space combat , pvp, every quest and ended up on hoth at lvl 46, 8or 9 lvls over what i should of been, every quest was grey, my class quest went grey 4 lvls ago. What a joke...Now i know some simpletons here will tell me to drop quests and move on, But why the hell should i? Its a brand new game, i want to see ALL questing content , not to mention im a completionist ( every datacron and quest on every planet as i do them ).. Couple this with crafting being a waste of time and basically spam aoe mechanics in all pve content, and we have a very shallow game designed for kindergarden kids....Insulting i tell you. I was so excited for star wars, i love star wars, but i honestly think bw butchered it as a mmo. Should of stuck to Kotor 3 ( with a difficulty slider ) as i know how they like to release their fisher price dificulty settings for games these days.. Wanna hear the sad truth. The gamers are already gone mate....whats left is star wars fans , casuals, the guys that treat mmo's like a chatroom and people new to mmos....

See , i played wow from the start and left went it started catering to ...lets say the lesser skilled... Im a HUGE SW fan, but im not going to play a game ( no matter how much i love the ip ) thats even easier then the one i left behind, and especially with the same gameplay mechanics..If Tor was more challenging, i would definatly overlook the wow " concepts " on most things, but its not, its heaps easier then wow.... GW2 and even tera look fresh, heres hoping they are not going to be as simplistic as tor and wow. We need a new vanilla / BC wow ( NOT wrath nor cata ). Heres hoping for these new titles to prevail...

I wish this was kotor 3, that way i could actually turn the difficulty right up. Tor is way to easy, gear rains from heaven, credits are useless and crafting is complete crap. Im a " semi hardcore " but very serious gamer that enjoys challenge. My fun in video games IS the challenge. I get joy when we overcome certain difficult odds and prevail after many times trying.. Tor lost me and many, many others looking for challengingand indepth gameplay. A 10 year old could get to max lvl and complete raids, and thats a total fail design.. Games in the past where designed for gamers that actually cared about games. In mario, if you where ****, you didnt get far...Tor is all about giving EVERYONE EVERYTHING FOR LITTLE TO NO EFFORT, and when everyone has everything, nothing is special ..... This is the formula and game design they went for, and it worked for ppl new to gaming, but like i said, real gamers are long gone or ( in my and many others persons cases ) will be when their game time runs out.... Sure, the game will have plenty of people playing it, but a large percentage will be newcomers or star wars fans that dont care for challenging nor engrossing gameplay, they are probably just happy sitting on the fleets station , chatting inguild.....

Firstly, wow is total crap, has been since wrath. Second, as much as i wanted to like SW, its way to casually easy, even more so then wow, its also crap, real gamers are leaving in droves. Third, any oceanic that knows anything about gaming had tor in december last year. Fourth, im over tor already, it has no challenge and takes no skill, myself and many other fellow oceanics have already left , will releasing it in oz with local servers actually be beneficial??

your entertainment obviously stems from all the " achievements " wow has to offer like go pick 20 flowers in each zone over the whole map that takes days to months and get social points blah blah... THAT is not my idea of fun nor entertainment. Im competitive by nature in every aspect of my life, including gaming.Simply put, im here to play better then you, to kill you over and over with skills ive picked up over 25 years of gaming. To be the best i can in any given game is my idea of fun and challenge and ENTERTAINMENT... If you make games easy, what challenge is there for me to beat you? Whats the point of real gamers playing that game then? I mustnt be alone on this line of thought. Look at all the threads about guilds disbanding, raiding is too casual, everything is easy, people have nothing to do...the list goes on ... Guess what. The ppl saying these things are the people with the same mentality as mine. The real gamers that raid or pvp,that play competitively, that play to win...they are all leaving in droves..... Whats left is the masses that might do a few dailies here and there, level 13 alts, run 1 fp a week or generally just sit in guild and chat...The true casual....Well, this game is , after all, tailored at them.... Such a shame really, because star wars is my number 1 favourite sci fi for over 20 years now..

Yea, so make games simplistic for kids then, sure , why not.... Dark souls isnt a financial disaster is it. Scored 95 / 100 ...ps3 game of the year,.... Hmm , how could a hardcore game like that get such a good review???? Maybe because its only one of a kind , perhaps? Why not make more of these " harder" games , perhaps, it seems to be what certain people like....

Why should we have to go do stupid stuff like wear no armor or turn **** off to get a challenging experience out of this game. Im not turning anything off, im not removing any gear, the game is easy. Easier then wow i could even say, and thats BAD... Dark souls doesnt make me remove any gear nor make me play blindfolded yet that games difficulty is perfect. Stop defending all these sad "casualised" games coming out these days because in the long run all it is going to do is ruin gaming for the people that actually play games for challenges ( ie hobby ). Wow was the best game ever ( till wrath sucked the life from it ), rift was a wow " casualised "clone, and tor is just straight and pure a casuals game, where you dont need to think nor know how to play well.... I dont know about you guys, bit IM SICK to death of these easy peasy ,piss weak games ( mmo's ) poping up over the last 5 years. Its almost as if the game developers gave us old school hardcore gamers the middle finger and told us to go jump of a cliff..... If gaming keeps going this way, ill be a 34 year old with a full time job ,looking for a new hobby. But its hard to teach a old dog new tricks... WHY NOT just make some games for us huh? Harder Games us old schoolers grew up with!They taught us how to play and get good at gaming, and we took on the challenge and succeeded........ This is what this generation of tweebs is missing.....PATIENCE......Its all me me me , easy, easy, easy, now, now ,now....and its going to ruin gaming for good....

NO. Sounds to me they are trying to appeal to ...GAMERS..GAsp..how dare they!!!! Tor and wow cater to ...the " novice " players, hopefully gw2 wil lactually cater to the REAL gaming crowd out there. We tried with tor, its even easier then wow and i quit wow for becoming to faceroll...GIVE US DAMN CHALLENGE BACK. Keep your gear, make fights rely on skill...o wait, i think gw2 does that doesnt it...............

exactly this. I was so hyped and told everyone how good SW is going to be ( because im a huge SW fan ) and it plainly just isnt good , at all, im heartbroken.... shoulda made a kotor 3 single player.....

Sure they will, but they will be more of this faceroll we currently have here. Not fun for real gamers ( ie competetive ) im afraid. Sorry.

Baldurs gate and nwn where my all time favs amongst the wizardry series. I love BW, so im truelly stunned and without words as to what went wrong here with this mmo. Its exactly how you say, easy and boring. Havnt they learned that nothing easy is ever fun!!! Shame, cause star wars rocks. Sadly , this mmo doesnt......

yea i suppose thats why my class quest is grey when i arrived on hoth...lvl 46 doing a lvl 38 planet... dont kid yourself, xp rains from heaven

Hmm epic... Wows Burning Crusade expansion was epic, all the rest that followed was pure crapola. O but bads and pugs couldnt raid boo hoo hoo. YES, the dedicated ones could and did and THAT is what made it epic. NO ENTITLMENT, NO GEAR RAINING FROM HEAVENS, NO EASY CONTENT... Epic, IMHO ofcoarse....

Agree 100% plus more. i was so pumed for tor, but havnt logged in for about 2 weeks now. Here is why tor fails.... umm endgame is NOT challenging, sorry..And why should ONLY endgame be challenging? Im playing dark souls atm and EVERY MOB is a challenge ( and thats the way it should be ). .. This is the crowd BW went for and tried to capture, and they sure did. The real gamers got to max, then realised this was actually just another wow in space ( but WAY easier ) and ran away... These people here will eventually figure out easy = boring = looking for a new game..simple as that... SIGH, this was only of the FIRST page....I give up man. Im done with easy games...heres looking forward to GW2..

I stupidly brought another months worth, played for 1 day, havnt logged on since then. I am totally insulted BW think us nothing more then windowlickers that have no gaming experience up our sleeves, they must do...Because this game is easier then casually possible. Lack of challenge always leaves a bad taste in my mouth after a few months.....

Which is why GW2 is going to be great, gear WONT be handed to you every turn. Gear means very little, its player skill. O the tears in that game will be tasty, and the best thing is, i will actually have real life mates to play with me to form groups unlike tor....Yay, people i can rely on again to get stuff done... And dark souls is just a game too. Guess what, gear in that game is hard to get, hell that game is hard, yet i think its the best game thats come out for the last few years...

Congrats mate, your the type of player BW aimed at with this game. The casual that plays because its a time filler...good on ya. You do realise its not going to be very fun for you when you eventually hit cap and find all the more dedicated gamers have moved on already because loot rains from heaven whilst being extremely easy to get? How are you going to pug raids then? with more ba....ooops ,soz , i mean with more casuals like yourself? I brought an extra month of gametime for some reason, and havnt logged in for a week. Did you also know i was looking forward to this game for 2 years and that star wars is my all time favourite sci fi ever... I knew it was going to be casual, but this content is downright faceroll and quite frankly insulting beyond a joke......( yes bw , i know how to keybind and mouse turn, did you guys think we came from farmville or something? ) Im not complaining though, i got my moneys worth out of the leveling experience in the star wars universe, it was fun ( but way to easy, never changed my orange gear really , so no need to look forward to new gear thru out the whole leveling process )..But im not going to roll an alt just yet, way, way too soon, i was hoping my main would tide me over for months atleast...

Whats funny is how some of us more serious gamers that actually love the star wars universe actually have no need nor desire to log in and play anymore. Lvl 45 jug, parked at hoth, i think im done. Why. So far EVERYTHING has been way too easy, loot rains from heaven. If i wanted HAnd holding and entitlement , id go back to that other game i left nearly a year ago FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASON.... Its sad, people like myself and the op that crave a challenge have no where to go... Dont even tell me heroic operations btw, i did heroic raiding in wow, i dont care about the next tier of " SUPPOSED HARDNESS ". I can tell just by leveling , ALL content is way too easy...

Look out mate, i posted the exact same thing ( with paragraphs though a while ago and got an infraction...... Bw doesnt like you telling them that this game is waaay to casual even for casuals that are very casually casual.. God im starting to hate that word. In every paragraph with the word mmo, i bet theres the word casual plastered somewhere 5 times between the lines....

Thats the thing, i got no where to go....