ReveredDead Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 All of my characters are entirely on the Satele Shan server as I live on the west coast of the U.S. It is no question that the Satele Shan (SS) server has been dwindling in numbers over the past few years. In fact it's made me consider just leaving it entirely to go to Star Forge (SF) or better yet just quitting the game until SS and SF merge into one big American server. I likely won't transfer as it costs a ton of cartel coins to transfer just one alt. At night the only people you can find to raid with are mostly folks from Australia and Asia (by the way the most fun people to play with) since it's afternoon and evening over there while it's night in America. So now that they have their own server. I think it's likely that a good majority of Australians and Asians on SS will migrate to Shae Vizla since it's likely got better ping than SS. I tried the server myself but getting a constant ping of 180ms due to the distance is not ideal (I get 60ms on SS). So my question is: What was the purpose of creating the APAC server? This game isn't getting any new players. At least not at the volume that would make the creation of a new server a viable option. Seriously what was the purpose in making SS even more of a ghost server than it already is now? Only thing that makes sense now is to merge SS and SF into one giant American server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 (edited) if Satele Shan and Star Forge populations drop enoug, they could be merged, maybe SV will be the tipping point. Edited November 19 by Darkestmonty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Have you actually seen a drop in player numbers yet? Or are you just assuming this is what will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denavin Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 19 minutes ago, TrixxieTriss said: Have you actually seen a drop in player numbers yet? Or are you just assuming this is what will happen? They're just another one of the Clairvoyant experts that know everything and nothing at the same time..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 (edited) 30 minutes ago, denavin said: They're just another one of the Clairvoyant experts that know everything and nothing at the same time..... where do you think SV players came from? Of course the other servers took a population hit, the players on SV are not all new to SWTOR. the significance of the population decrease has yet to be seen or the long term effects even if there is an observable impact. For all we know in a few months a lot of players will stop playing SV because the new factor would have worn off. Edited November 19 by Darkestmonty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 3 hours ago, ReveredDead said: What was the purpose of creating the APAC server? Respectfully, bit late to be asking that question now, it's done. You'll just have to plan your gaming for SWTOR (quit/ transfer/wait for a merge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSilverRoar Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 -1 Not Signed & Opposed to any merge - another *cringe* straw man merge thread by west coast Will Smiths (east coasters know the term) so they can keep their names at the expense of East Coasters bc they're as mediocre as their server bc of themselves and the personalities there aren't holding to nicer APAC. East Coasters general consensus: Sounds like a YOU problem. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 (edited) I'm all for a population merge for SS and SF if the servers can handle it. I say this playing both servers. SS has about 2/3rs the population of SF at best and during the slower seasons for SWTOR that population difference has a much more significant impact on group content. For the next 3, maybe 4 months SS will have the highest population count then suddenly drop like it does every year. 7 minutes ago, BlackSilverRoar said: -1 Not Signed & Opposed to any merge - another *cringe* straw man merge thread by west coast Will Smiths (east coasters know the term) so they can keep their names at the expense of East Coasters bc they're as mediocre as their server bc of themselves. East Coasters general consensus: Sounds like a YOU problem. There is no East Coast or West Coast and hasn't been for years. The US servers were located in Virginia before moving to AWS. Edited November 19 by Darkestmonty 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGun-SWE Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Don't APAC deserve their own server? This is something the wanted since the game launch of December 2011! Just saying! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSilverDawn Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 12 minutes ago, Darkestmonty said: There is no East Coast or West Coast and hasn't been for years. The US servers were located in Virginia before moving to AWS. Funny, people from the west coast still log into Shan, and those from east coast still log into Star Forge, who would've thought 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWho Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 25 minutes ago, PeterGun-SWE said: Don't APAC deserve their own server? This is something the wanted since the game launch of December 2011! There were APAC servers at launch. They were removed some time later. Having an APAC server brings SWTOR back to being a global game, which is a good thing. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_Little_Dragon Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 4 hours ago, ReveredDead said: I tried the server myself but getting a constant ping of 180ms due to the distance is not ideal (I get 60ms on SS). So my question is: What was the purpose of creating the APAC server? You just answered your own question. If YOU don't want to play with 180ms plus ping why do you think the APAC players should have to (or want to)? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DWho said: There were APAC servers at launch. They were removed some time later. Having an APAC server brings SWTOR back to being a global game, which is a good thing. in 2013 APAC servers were merged into the US servers. Then in 2017 the US servers were merged again and all US servers moved to Virginia which is even further for APAC players. Edited November 19 by Darkestmonty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Ziva Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, ReveredDead said: All of my characters are entirely on the Satele Shan server as I live on the west coast of the U.S. It is no question that the Satele Shan (SS) server has been dwindling in numbers over the past few years. In fact it's made me consider just leaving it entirely to go to Star Forge (SF) or better yet just quitting the game until SS and SF merge into one big American server. I likely won't transfer as it costs a ton of cartel coins to transfer just one alt. At night the only people you can find to raid with are mostly folks from Australia and Asia (by the way the most fun people to play with) since it's afternoon and evening over there while it's night in America. So now that they have their own server. I think it's likely that a good majority of Australians and Asians on SS will migrate to Shae Vizla since it's likely got better ping than SS. I tried the server myself but getting a constant ping of 180ms due to the distance is not ideal (I get 60ms on SS). So my question is: What was the purpose of creating the APAC server? This game isn't getting any new players. At least not at the volume that would make the creation of a new server a viable option. Seriously what was the purpose in making SS even more of a ghost server than it already is now? Only thing that makes sense now is to merge SS and SF into one giant American server. Until they enable character transfers onto Shae (and if they do), I doubt it's going to have much effect on any of the existing servers. I would think that most people don't want to start from zero on a new server. Edited November 20 by Screaming_Ziva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThanderSnB Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I checked the population on all the servers Friday night. I didn't save the numbers, but Satele Shan still had 100 players on fleet in primetime. It wasn't as high as Star Forge, but it wasn't much lower than normal. Things could change once transfers have opened. Some players are waiting to switch until then. I think things will probably be fine on Satele Shan as long as Galactic Seasons continue to work as they do. Lots of players will still play there to get the extra cartel coins from Galactic Seasons. It will be interesting to see what happens after transfers, but everything is fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReveredDead Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 22 minutes ago, ThanderSnB said: I checked the population on all the servers Friday night. I didn't save the numbers, but Satele Shan still had 100 players on fleet in primetime. It wasn't as high as Star Forge, but it wasn't much lower than normal. Things could change once transfers have opened. Some players are waiting to switch until then. I think things will probably be fine on Satele Shan as long as Galactic Seasons continue to work as they do. Lots of players will still play there to get the extra cartel coins from Galactic Seasons. It will be interesting to see what happens after transfers, but everything is fine now. I'm looking ahead. Sure right now there won't be an impact. But a year from now? Two years? Satele Shan does have a good number during Primetime but that's it. Any other time of day it's dead EXCEPT late at night when Asia and Australians get on and even then it can still take a while to form groups for anything. Now if they move to APAC, which let me note that I have no issue with. I would go to a new server if I had a better connection. The problem is not really the creation of this SV server nor people making the smart choice and going to a server dedicated for their region. The problem is the potential implications down the line for a dwindling server like SS from the creation of SV. If the server is only active during primetime (which is only a few hours) then dead for the remainder of the day. Then that's a problem. Cause not everyone works a 9-5 schedule job. That means people who work atypical schedules will be screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ReveredDead said: I'm looking ahead. Sure right now there won't be an impact. But a year from now? Two years? Satele Shan does have a good number during Primetime but that's it. Any other time of day it's dead EXCEPT late at night when Asia and Australians get on and even then it can still take a while to form groups for anything. Now if they move to APAC, which let me note that I have no issue with. I would go to a new server if I had a better connection. The problem is not really the creation of this SV server nor people making the smart choice and going to a server dedicated for their region. The problem is the potential implications down the line for a dwindling server like SS from the creation of SV. If the server is only active during primetime (which is only a few hours) then dead for the remainder of the day. Then that's a problem. Cause not everyone works a 9-5 schedule job. That means people who work atypical schedules will be screwed. unless the devs allow free or cheap transfers to APAC I know a few players with 10-20 characters on the US servers who refuse to move. They were kicked off their servers 10 years ago, they didn't want to start over and lose those 10 years of progress and aren't going to spend hundreds of dollars moving their characters back to an APAC server. I would be more concerned with APAC servers falling below SS population in a year. Edited November 20 by Darkestmonty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 2 minutes ago, ReveredDead said: But a year from now? Two years? Prognosticating that far in the future doesn't impact today. Just play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReveredDead Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 5 hours ago, TrixxieTriss said: Have you actually seen a drop in player numbers yet? Or are you just assuming this is what will happen? That's cute. I happen to play a lot and I don't need to see numbers. I see it first hand every day. Servers hot during primetime evenings then dead for all other hours except when Aussies come online. The issue is not players making the smart choice and moving to the APAC server for better connectivity when transfers are available. The issue is that Broadsword is not considering a merge for SS and SF soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReveredDead Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, xordevoreaux said: Prognosticating that far in the future doesn't impact today. Just play. Well at least the dicussion is happening now so BS can plan ahead. If it even is a plan at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 9 minutes ago, ReveredDead said: Well at least the dicussion is happening now so BS can plan ahead. If it even is a plan at all. I wouldn't panic until we see obvious population drops. Right now a lot of players are on APAC just because it is new. Give it 6 months to see how the populations even out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayddow Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Playing this week, There were more people on the new server (Shae) than on Leviathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char_Ell Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 6 hours ago, DWho said: There were APAC servers at launch. No, there were no APAC servers when SWTOR launched in 2011 December. APAC servers didn't go live until the end of 2012 February 2 hours ago, Darkestmonty said: I wouldn't panic until we see obvious population drops. Right now a lot of players are on APAC just because it is new. Give it 6 months to see how the populations even out. My vote (not that it really counts for anything) is to give it 3 months after character transfers are allowed to Shae Vizla server and see what Satele Shan server activity is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkestmonty Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 35 minutes ago, Char_Ell said: No, there were no APAC servers when SWTOR launched in 2011 December. APAC servers didn't go live until the end of 2012 February My vote (not that it really counts for anything) is to give it 3 months after character transfers are allowed to Shae Vizla server and see what Satele Shan server activity is like. I don't know if it's possible but it would be nice if former APAC characters can transfer back for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWho Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Char_Ell said: No, there were no APAC servers when SWTOR launched in 2011 December. APAC servers didn't go live until the end of 2012 February A grand total of 3 months later and certainly not something APAC players were "waiting for since launch" for in 2023. Which was the point as you well know. Edited November 20 by DWho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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