10 Years of GSF soon. Does Broadsword have any plans there?

[Stradlin]

On 10/24/2023 at 3:31 AM, Nee-Elder said:

QFE ,  much more realistic speculation there ^ yep

Why be so *slient* about  SPACE and GSF  in a goshdarn  STAR WARS game?!?!?!

 

Yeah I think Chrish Schmidt was the last remaining  BW dev who was heavily involved in devving of GSF. He left BW in 2022. They prolly don't have anyone left who'd be all that familiar with under the hood stuff of GSF. It'd prolly not take this familiarity to do stuff like adding GSF to PvP seasons.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Stradlin

[Nee-Elder]

3 hours ago, Stradlin said:

Yeah I think Chrish Schmidt was the last remaining  BW dev who was heavily involved in devving of GSF. He left BW in 2022. They prolly have anyone left who'd be all that familiar with under the hood stuff of GSF

. It'd prolly not take this familiarity to do stuff like adding GSF to PvP seasons.

Right but they did that already remember? -->  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/  ...before only taking it away:  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/?do=findComment&comment=9757696  cuz uhh "reasons"

Still baffles me.

[Lord_Malganus]

They either forgot or could not figure it out.

[Stradlin]

4 hours ago, Nee-Elder said:

Right but they did that already remember? -->  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/  ...before only taking it away:  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/?do=findComment&comment=9757696  cuz uhh "reasons"

Still baffles me.

Yeah, I bet we'll never know what happened.

 

Give a GSF Pilot(or a ground pvp'er) a new game mode, or a new map, or even a new reward track and it'll help keeping  them entertained for years and years, as long as it is well executed.

Deliver 15 mins worth of story content and it'll remain fresh and exciting for..15 minutes. Devving for GSF would be great investment in terms of hours spend/longevity gained.

 

 

 

 

 

[OlBuzzard]

4 hours ago, Lord_Malganus said:

They either forgot or could not figure it out.

Respectfully ..  IMO it is neither.  It's a simple matter of priorities.  In that context the live stream pretty much outlined most of those key items.  How inclusive was that of ALL of the plans for SWTOR?   I doubt we have a clear-cut view of all of the plans for the future.  For me personally??  I think we have a pretty good idea where this is headed.
** Does GSF need some old fashion TLC ... You BET it DOES !!!
** I would personally suggest that a thread be started for PvE and PvP thread (combined) for things that players might actually look forward to IF GSF were to get a make-over. OR MAYBE .. turn THIS thread into a GSF wish list of sorts????
** Equally (or perhaps even MORE important) ... that the development team actually take those recommendations to heart.

I know ... the old man has lost it yet AGAIN!  He's got to be nuts to think that would ACTUALLY work!

You're probably right!

(So what else is new????)

Edited October 25, 2023 by OlBuzzard
clarification

[DakhathKilrathi]

I see we've had this thread moved to the GSF section without comment. I'll take that as a "no, and please go back to the corner we never check."  Message heard loud and clear. 

[Nee-Elder]

3 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

  Message heard loud and clear. 

Just as i tried to tell you on page 1 of this thread  ( before  we got derailed by that ridiculous  joystick back & forth  lol )  , it doesn't matter how much nor how little  we ask for with GSF.

*static*

[DakhathKilrathi]

Just now, Nee-Elder said:

Just as i tried to tell you on page 1 of this thread  ( before  we got derailed by that ridiculous  joystick back & forth  lol )  , it doesn't matter how much nor how little  we ask for with GSF.

*static*

I've been here since literally the beginning. I know perfectly well just how little developer interaction GSF sees. It never hurts to ask. 

[Nee-Elder]

14 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

I've been here since literally the beginning.

And i've been here since literally  before  the beginning.  Sad, i admit.

14 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 I know perfectly well just how little developer interaction GSF sees.

Then you know it wasn't always like how it is now ( and has been since 2017 ) .

But what none of us pilot-players still  can't seem to know is:  Why?  Why ignore  the 1st half of  'Star Wars' ?

How hard is it for  @EricMusco or @KeithKanneg  to just simply come into these GSF forums and make  one statement of update?!

14 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 It never hurts to ask. 

Other than our collective sanity , yes i agree.

Edited October 26, 2023 by Nee-Elder

[DakhathKilrathi]

21 minutes ago, Nee-Elder said:

Then you know it wasn't always like how it is now ( and has been since 2017 ) .

This is what makes me think maybe you haven't been an active part of the GSF community for as long as you're claiming. It really was always this way. It was always a surprise when we got anything at all. 

[Nee-Elder]

38 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

This is what makes me think maybe you haven't been an active part of the GSF community for as long as you're claiming.

You really wanna come at me now, eh?

You must be really bored lol

Everyone knows i've been a part of this entire SWTOR--and GSF--community  since  beta testing.

Since you're so bored and seem to need a foil,  you're welcome to go spend a few minutes and search my profile-->post history.

( hint:  i'm the one, with another GM, who originally started  in-game 'Allies' channel-->  https://forums.swtor.com/showthread.php?t=450697   ...which of course eventually branched into the  'GSF' channel.   You're welcome!   )

38 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 It really was always this way.

No, it wasn't.   It's only gotten "this way" since around 2017.

Do you really want me to go back thru  these GSF forums and link you all the  BioWare DEV  posts from back in tha day?

It's gonna make you look very silly.

38 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 It was always a surprise when we got anything at all. 

No one is arguing that dude  lol  daheck  are you even babbling about now anyway?

Check my sig and realize who you're talking to.

Then maybe you'll see  we're actually on the same pilot page here. ( other than the whole  Joystick thing   )

Edited October 27, 2023 by Nee-Elder

[DakhathKilrathi]

24 minutes ago, Nee-Elder said:

No, it wasn't.   It's only gotten "this way" since around 2017.

lmao okay 

that's why people were surprised by the 5.5 changes when they were proposed. that's why it took ages to get the old guide thread stickied. sure man.

see: https://forums.swtor.com/topic/650717-stasies-galactic-starfighter-guide-ships-components-crew-tips/?do=findComment&comment=7724660

one example from 2015 of how we knew perfectly well that no one read this forum

there are others but i think we might be living in different realities or something

Edited October 27, 2023 by DakhathKilrathi

[Nee-Elder]

6 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

there are others but i think we might be living in different realities or something

nah, you just don't like me and you're still upset  cuz i wouldn't  bow down to your sacred  declarations.   Funniest part is,  Trixxie  rek'd you  even better than i could , yet somehow  you haven't  responded to them hmm i wonder why?

If you stop  for a moment you'd realize  how silly you look trying to  question ME of all people ( someone who has been fighting  BIOWARE  since  forever  to support GSF ) .

You're  parsing & arguing about  to what degree BioWare has neglected GSF.  Think about that for a second  LOL

Fact is,  GSF community ( and most pilot communities ) are still the best ever.   But i just think you're  upset and since BioSword  is nowhere to be seen,  it's easier to just use me as your conduit-of-displeasure.

np , go for it !

[DakhathKilrathi]

Just now, Nee-Elder said:

nah, you just don't like me and you're still upset  cuz i wouldn't  bow down to your sacred  declarations

i what now

Nah. Genuinely: if I took it personally anytime anyone had misconceptions or bad ideas about this game mode, I would have quit participating a long time ago. I'm never gonna dislike someone just because I think they're wrong, but I'll probably drop the conversation since it's not going anywhere. No point in it. 

[Nee-Elder]

32 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 just because I think they're wrong, but I'll probably drop the conversation since it's not going anywhere.

But you keep avoiding my counterpoints & facts , and instead started trying to question my legitimacy & longevity of being a part of this wonderfully flawed community?!  Wow, really dude?  You should be better than that, no?

Plus i'm not wrong....

•  last Dev GSF post was 2022: https://forums.swtor.com/topic/926403-ui-problems-after-72/?do=findComment&comment=9733282
•  last Dev post before that ^  was 2017 ( as i already stated to you repeatedly ) : https://forums.swtor.com/topic/855967-ninja-scout-hull-buff/?do=findComment&comment=9161560
•  last  patch note with GSF in it ( good luck finding it ) :  https://www.swtor.com/patchnotes

.... And again:  You are trying to argue with me ( for some odd reason )  to prove what exactly?  Who is more right about how much BioWare/Sword  ignored/ignores  GSF?!

Ok really solid argument then you win!

35 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

 No point in it. 

Phew, now we're getting somewhere.

See ya in the next thread.

[Lord_Malganus]

On 10/20/2023 at 3:33 PM, sharpenedstick said:

Don't forget stronghold decorating. No word on why CM sets are coming out inconsistently sized. No acknowledgement regarding expanding the x/y axis. Is it even possible?

We just don't know.

All reasons I gave up on decorating my strongholds and went back to using my ship.

[Toraak]

19 hours ago, DakhathKilrathi said:

This is what makes me think maybe you haven't been an active part of the GSF community for as long as you're claiming. It really was always this way. It was always a surprise when we got anything at all. 

This is 100% true. Bioware, and now Broadsword rarely ever posted on the GSF section of the forums. Even when it was first released as a game mode.

[Nee-Elder]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:37 PM, Toraak said:

This is 100% true. Bioware, and now Broadsword rarely ever posted on the GSF section of the forums.

When did i ever dispute that ^  ?????? 

Show me where i ever  argued that BioWare  posted  "all the time" about GSF .   I'll wait.

What i said was, it wasn't always like it is NOW  with  total & complete  negligance  --> https://forums.swtor.com/topic/931699-10-years-of-gsf-soon-does-broadsword-have-any-plans-there/?do=findComment&comment=9783515

u guys are just  parsing for the sake of trolling me , but i guess that's  all  you have left to do when  GSF  gets ignored by the Devs since 2017

Forums are so funny.  I literally show these baiters  actual  posts to AGREE with them and yet they still  troll  in some weird futile attempt at  trying to prove what exactly?   Are u guys seriously  trying to imply  ME of all people on these forums since 2011  fighting for SPACE flight  hasn't been "a part of the community" ?!?!

Like, huh? 

[SoyElSenado]

On 10/23/2023 at 7:04 PM, TrixxieTriss said:

It tells me you’ve never played a proper flight sim or space sim with proper equipment before. A low end Logitech joystick in Australia is $69AUD or $43USD. About 1/3rd the cost of good MMO mouse

If the game supported the basic Logitech game pads or Flightsticks, that’s all it would need to support more advanced & expensive setups because they have specialised software to map stuff with.

I play SW Squadrons with both Mouse keyboard & Flightstick. It’s actually easier & more accurate to play with the mouse & keyboard & not the joystick. But it’s more fun for me & way more challenging to play with my joystick, foot pedals & throttle, even though it’s much harder.

I’m sure you’ve never actually played a proper flight sim or space sim with more advanced controllers. Because if you had, you’d know the learning curve to use them is very steep. It’s much harder to learn than using a mouse & keyboard or game pad or even a basic joystick. You need to actually develop more muscle memory (including your feet) & remember much more complicated button setups. It actually took 9 months of playing Squadrons daily till I could actually be semi competitive against people using basic keyboard & mouse combos. 

So no one currently playing GSF would stop playing it if they added proper Joystick support. And no one would be forced to go & buy hardware if they didn’t want to. If anything, it would probably boost GSF participation from people like me who’ve been asking for it since the beginning. 

I have the thrustmaster airbus captain's pack for MSF (sidestick, throttle, etc) Would be fun to use them in gsf lol. I don't think people would stop playing it because they don't have a joystick... as you said it's a high learning curve to use that stuff properly and only increases your ceiling by a bit compared to keyboard and mouse players, particularly in GSF where the flight physics are not all that complex compared with true flight sims where you need a joystick.

The reality though is that the most that will change in GSF is incorporating it into pvp seasons or making a GSF season (both of which increase participation metrics and monetization opportunities). The game mode itself is going to stay the way it is. The reason they don't post here is because they are satisfied with it from a dev standpoint and don't see any need to change or rebalance anything. Obviously players disagree but it is what it is.

Edited October 29, 2023 by SoyElSenado

[Nee-Elder]

6 hours ago, SoyElSenado said:

The reality though is that the most that will change in GSF is incorporating it into pvp seasons or making a GSF season

Did you read all 2 pages of this thread before you posted?  ( i'm guessing no , but i dunno since maybe you didn't click the links in my earlier post or just didn't have time to read it ) 

-- Either way.  perhaps you aren't aware that ^ already happened -->  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/  ...until it didn't :  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/?do=findComment&comment=9757696  cuz   "reasons"

[SoyElSenado]

19 hours ago, Nee-Elder said:

Did you read all 2 pages of this thread before you posted?  ( i'm guessing no , but i dunno since maybe you didn't click the links in my earlier post or just didn't have time to read it ) 

-- Either way.  perhaps you aren't aware that ^ already happened -->  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/  ...until it didn't :  https://forums.swtor.com/topic/929314-pts-gsf-added-to-pvp-season-3-track/?do=findComment&comment=9757696  cuz   "reasons"

Yes, I read the thread pretty carefully, too. I went through the links in here and other threads discussing the lack of dev contact, read their previous dev post from 2022 and then the one before that was 2017. I also think the person who said most if not all of the original dev team who made GSF is gone is probably right. I'd be shocked if there were more than one or two people working there now with even a semblance of a clue how GSF works on the dev side. All of that is what led me to the conclusion that they do not comment on GSF because they most likely feel there is nothing they should change with GSF. Adding it to PvP seasons or giving it its own seasons track sometime in the near-intermediate future does not require significantly modifying/updating GSF and will have a measurable impact on their metrics. That's why I said I think that is the only reasonable thing to expect as a future "change" with GSF. The fact that they intended to add it to a PvP season in the recent past but then didn't is pretty good evidence for that. They probably have a backburner project to better quantify success in GSF outside of medals for a future PvP season and will "get to it eventually." I'm not saying these are all good decisions, just that it seems pretty clear based on all the circumstances to be the case...

Edited October 31, 2023 by SoyElSenado

[Nee-Elder]

2 hours ago, SoyElSenado said:

Yes, I read the thread pretty carefully, too.

ok  np  and the reason why i  guessed  "no"  is because you seemed to suggest  something "novel" that i had  already posted about them already  doing ( and subsequently,  inexplicably,  them taking away before it ever got tested ) .  So it just seemed like you were a bit late to the info is all.

Anyways.....

2 hours ago, SoyElSenado said:

. Adding it to PvP seasons or giving it its own seasons track sometime in the near-intermediate future does not require significantly modifying/updating GSF and will have a measurable impact on their metrics. That's why I said I think that is the only reasonable thing to expect as a future "change" with GSF.

The fact that they intended to add it to a PvP season in the recent past but then didn't is pretty good evidence for that.

i'm sorry but i just don't share your optimism anymore.

And i also disagree, respectfully,  since  those 2 links  i put above ^^  in my 1st reply to you  are, in my opinion,  actually evidence of just the opposite.  ( In other words,  that they in fact  won't  be adding anything to/with GSF ever again )

Time will tell though.  Whenever.

Edited October 31, 2023 by Nee-Elder
Reason: after 11+ years, BioWare's negligence of GSF has finally beat the *hope* right out of me.

[Stradlin]

It is low key insulting they actually moved this thread from general section. Atleast half of everything ever posted there would " technically" belong to some sub forum. " Soon, it is GSF birthday time!" is def " general discussion" enough. How to send community a message without saying  anything ig.

 

As soon as I'm convinced GSF will never see any sort of live dev, I'm done paying for/playing  this game.

 

[DakhathKilrathi]

36 minutes ago, Stradlin said:

It is low key insulting they actually moved this thread from general section. Atleast half of everything ever posted there would " technically" belong to some sub forum.

Low key? I took it as pretty high key honestly. That they moved this thread here but not the PTS threads to the PTS section is very much intended to say we should go back to our corner and shut up. 

I posted it in General because, as you said, it's a general discussion topic. It's not about GSF mechanics or anything - or it wasn't meant to be, thanks joystick complainers - but about what we might see in the rest of the game related to it. Even just a throwaway customization on the vendor would be nice. Aren't there a couple of customizations that don't work? Maybe they could fix those. 

[Caleb_Nokama]

They could've gotten an unbelievable amount of money out of me for GSF space barbie customizations by now, no mechanical changes necessary. That's the part boggling me here: GSF could easily be a gold mine for a company with almost zero effort, and yet here we are.