alexishomer Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 lv 50 operative here. a lv 50 operative can't take down any competent lv 50 heal in 1 v 1 situation - because all of them have either high armor, dmg shield/mitigation, multiple healing abilities. you can interrupt their first heal but then you can't interrupt/stun the 2nd one (resolve bar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frivolous Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Get to level 50. Get some gear. You won't get killed out of the stun. thats right! calm down people when your low lvl and get nailed by a high lvl operative you will die FAST! think about the gear and skill points! please think before you post..... i know i dont sometimes =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazikeen Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 No, I am sorry, you should NOT be able to kill someone before they get up from your knockdown. Your class is severly OP and needs to be nerfed. /discuss The whole point of the Op in PvP is to frontload damage Last I heard they were not a sustained-DPS class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frivolous Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'm very interested in what pvp will look like in a few months, I'm thinking jugg's, BH and sorc's will run shop followed by Snipers. I'm on the fence about making lvl my op all the way up for pvp warzones, for the above fact. i'd like to see what a full champion sniper can do...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexishomer Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 snipe + explosive probe = 7k dmg people are already doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythicrose Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 snipe + explosive probe = 7k dmg people are already doing it. I'm a level 50 sniper with most gear at or above 112 rating. A single snipe and explosive probe (both critting) cannot yield 7k. I don't remember the exact numbers in terms of cunning, power, surge, but I have 34% crit, 76% surge rating. An ambush crit and explosive proble crit could probably hit 7k, though, for me but not just a snipe and explosive probe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masturomenos Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 People don't understand how pvp scaling works. U need good gear or ull get pawned. A lvl20 in lvl20 gear will beat a lvl40 in lvl20 gear. Keep ur gear up to date and ull win more and l2p. This is from a assassin pov by the way. I have a tuff time bringing operaties down but not cause they are op but because they take time to bring down but they have never burst me down. I haven't seen any burst from any class so far in this game its just not something that happens the way it is set up. The best burst class still can't take u from 100% to 0% in one knockdown that's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaFurz Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Well, the whole lower lvl pvp is imbalanced aswell...here you get kicked your *** with this class from certain others...I know how lower pvp looks like, I did do almost 10 lvls only pvping...where others just did questing, looking only here and there into the bg´s and missed that. What are you saying to this ? ....but what we dont know is how pvp looks when everyone has at least pvp gear and not running around in greens or blues at 50. PvP seems to have a lot of isses.....they need to rework a lot. Alone the point that some can use force speed, kicking down people from bridges, into fire or acid....I think the devs were drunk. And people said this is a wow killer....lol. This game is average with a lot of issues. Maybe they put in the game "resilience" so you have to grind for new gear and stick with the game with monthly fees, common we know the business tricks already... Edited December 29, 2011 by BobaFurz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaquae Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 50 operative with some champ gear centurion stuff - went back to healing tree and well its kinda okay people live ,, but not the amount of healing the other classes do - i dont have problems keeping em up just its low healing numbers .. BOOST THE HOT HEALS ABIT ffs !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skramz Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 What's funny is most people who whine about concealment aren't level 50. I have no problem admitting I concealment is very strong, but I feel it's balanced against other level 50s with expertise. If you have no expertise, I am going to destroy you. That's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayMeeq Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 457 expertise operative here, doing 12k burst dmg within 3sec 7440 max crit... I can solo kill everyone in this game, even same geared lvl 50 comandos/juggers. Yes operative needs nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaquae Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 yup well the whole point of conc is useless rather heal people than doing damage with the same combo stealth hiddenstrike back stab blah blah and so on cloaking screeen and again .. but when on cool down .. what ? ??? will stick to healing hoping they just increase the HOTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokt Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 457 expertise operative here, doing 12k burst dmg within 3sec 7440 max crit... I can solo kill everyone in this game, even same geared lvl 50 comandos/juggers. Yes operative needs nerf Just because a class is good at something doesnt mean it needs a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampylol Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 457 expertise operative here, doing 12k burst dmg within 3sec 7440 max crit... I can solo kill everyone in this game, even same geared lvl 50 comandos/juggers. Yes operative needs nerf You forgot to add that you also used a relic, the WZ power up AND an expertise pot to get this 7k crit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaFurz Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) And funny thing is that you read in almost every class section that some people "own" with their class.... You forgot to add that you also used a relic, the WZ power up AND an expertise pot to get this 7k crit.... and people will think this is the regular dmg then, its always a problem to show a video or screenshot with the highest dmg you get, its more interesting what you do on average and what gear your opponent has, aswell level. And if you dont do such high dmg or crits, some kids tell you cant play...rofl. Lets see how other classes are doing in pvp gear at lvl 50 vs other lvl 50ies with the same quality gear...then we talk. But we can talk already about lower lvl pvp, because this needs really some fine tuning. Besides the fail to throw in higher lvls with lower ones in the same Battleground, but thats the game design. Edited December 29, 2011 by BobaFurz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skramz Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 You forgot to add that you also used a relic, the WZ power up AND an expertise pot to get this 7k crit.... This. Either 1.)The kid doesn't play the class or 2.)He's dumb. Operatives are built around burst from stealth. Take that away and the AC is pointless to play unless you want to heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyfen Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) lol yep. QFT +1 QQing = GetTFO Edited December 29, 2011 by Greyfen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abye Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 DPS means damage per second which is measured over a timeframe. How much is the DPS over 1 minute ? Oh you mean they have too high burst ? I might agree with that but they need better out of stealth options if you take away the burst. And no, my op is lethality, noone complained about her being overpowered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnaathra Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) To anyone that says get to level 50 and get some gear.. The lvl 50 gear does not dramatically increase HPs and does little to increase the pain of the Operative/Scoundrel alpha strike. With 5 pieces of purple pvp gear I still only have about 14k hps. Edit - Yes fighting a 50 Operative/Scoundrel that has taken the stealth/burst tree is nearly impossible. Edited December 29, 2011 by Jnaathra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skramz Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 To anyone that says get to level 50 and get some gear.. The lvl 50 gear does not dramatically increase HPs and does little to increase the pain of the Operative/Scoundrel alpha strike. With 5 pieces of purple pvp gear I still only have about 14k hps. It's called expertise. You clearly have zero idea how PvP works in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacha Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have about 9perc pvp boost stat (from expertise) am valor rank 55 and the hardest ive hit with red power ball thing is just shy of 5k. Properly geared up sorcs and any class are much harder to take out. Newbs dont stand a chance alone (not with me anyways lol). I also have over 15k hp unbuffed. Im curious when more reach the cap and get geared up (pvp wise) how things will be. Team work goes along ways with using guard/taunt/stun ect. But atm ya I feel powerful against most as I powerlevel to get here. Lets see how things are in a month or 2. Lacha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaFurz Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) In a month or two more will do combos probably, tank with healer ans the amazing and very deadly dual gunner combo. I see already that other classes will shine aswell a lot in pvp... Edited December 30, 2011 by BobaFurz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnaathra Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 It's called expertise. You clearly have zero idea how PvP works in this game. I know exactly how it works and I'm saying they can still face roll you for massive burst damage that is almost always unrecoverable from. Tanks, healers, dps.. crap don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDebateReborn Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 No, I am sorry, you should NOT be able to kill someone before they get up from your knockdown. Your class is severly OP and needs to be nerfed. /discuss Knockdown? Is that something in the Concealment Tree? Oh, ha-ha. Silly Concealment Operatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) It's funny how I have good fights with good players. And the people that literally do nothing while I kill them, come here to post about how OP my class is. Edited December 30, 2011 by Sevvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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