scammer got me

[HoloTweed]

See green highlighted portion of full quote. Not a scam no matter how bad you want it to be.

 

Actually yes, yes it IS a scam no matter how bad (or, more confusingly, WHY) you want it NOT to be. Right from your green highlighted portion Bioware says "For us, it would be impossible to tell if a user was posting an item at a higher value to try to "scam" another user, or simply because that is what they want to sell it for. "

 

They CLEARLY demonstrate that they recognize a user posting an item at an inflated value is a "scam."

 

Thanks for clearing it up for us, though.

[masstershake]

Actually yes, yes it IS a scam no matter how bad (or, more confusingly, WHY) you want it NOT to be. Right from your green highlighted portion Bioware says "For us, it would be impossible to tell if a user was posting an item at a higher value to try to "scam" another user, or simply because that is what they want to sell it for. "

 

They CLEARLY demonstrate that they recognize a user posting an item at an inflated value is a "scam."

 

Thanks for clearing it up for us, though.

 

LOL DID U NOT READ YOUR OWN QUOTE? i purposely sell my items at a stupid high price because that's what i want to sell them for.

Edited December 1, 2015 by masstershake

[HoloTweed]

LOL DID U NOT READ YOUR OWN QUOTE? i purposely sell my items at a stupid high price because that's what i want to sell them for.

 

You sell them at a price that you intend to look like the average lower price in order to scam people into paying what is clearly a ridiculously inflated price? Wow. Congratulations then for being a scammer and being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

[masstershake]

You sell them at a price that you intend to look like the average lower price in order to scam people into paying what is clearly a ridiculously inflated price? Wow. Congratulations then for being a scammer and being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

 

I think as you have demonstrated for us all; your issue is you need to learn to read.

 

Where did i say i put up items with a certan value in mind. I said i sell items at a stupid high price because that's what i choose to sell them for.

Edited December 1, 2015 by masstershake

[HoloTweed]

I think as you have demonstrated for us all your issue is you need to learn to read.

 

I would love to come up with an equally witty retort to your barb but a) apparently, even though I'm a professional writer, I - according to you - can't read and b) you weren't actually witty.

 

In the meantime, enjoy your scamming while the decent among us folk discuss ways to rid the game of this problem. (It's never happened to me - I don't dabble in credit amounts that high - but I know smart people who had it happen because they didn't expect they would have to be that cautious in a game that makes everything else so easy.)

[masstershake]

Lets try this again for you. Your quote

 

Bioware says "For us, it would be impossible to tell if a user was posting an item at a higher value to try to "scam" another user, or simply because that is what they want to sell it for. " .

 

My response; i am the person that chooses to sell my items at a stupid high price (not to scam) because that is the price i choose to sell items for.

 

I fall under the second part of your quote.

[jstankaroslo]

all the people here who want to look so smart and state: "you didn't pay attention, hahhaha" I understand where you stand. For once you may seem smarter than some random internet poster. So cool

For those of you, who actually can read with understanding (as I'm getting a bit tired of this) I wrote in my OP:

 

I just bought 1 permarcrete for over 8mil credits.

My bad

[...]Didn't pay attention today

 

so yes, I know I wasn't attentive enough on my purchase. Repeating this after me in form of advice and ill disguised joy does not make you any smarter.

 

I've participated in some heated discussions on this topic in the past here. I stated there that I wasn't scammed yet.

Well, nobody's perfect. I have been scammed. Given the number of GTN transactions I do on my various characters this is still not a bad outcome. Also, the money isn't that much to me.

 

But defending those who put those listings on the GTN, for whatever reason you might have (I really can't fathom your reasons, they are beyond me), bear in mind this could happen to your little brother, or your mother or whoever.

 

I don't care about my credits that much. I craft and earn too much to worry about those 8mil.

 

I care about those new, inexperienced or otherwise vulnerable players that are also in our game. People to group up with, people to trade with, people who fund our entertainment along with us. I don't want them to get discouraged by these nasty individuals that count on others' mistakes.

 

And it doesn't matter how you call them. I call them scammers. You might call them anything from half-honest to innocent sellers excercising their freedom to list. What matters is the fact that they hurt the community. Defending them, well you're just playing the useful idiot part.

[Infernixx]

You sell them at a price that you intend to look like the average lower price in order to scam people into paying what is clearly a ridiculously inflated price? Wow. Congratulations then for being a scammer and being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

 

That's not a scam, skippy. That's just being devious and unethical.

 

Words have meaning and you don't get to redefine things in order to feel victimized.

[HarleysRule]

Actually yes, yes it IS a scam no matter how bad (or, more confusingly, WHY) you want it NOT to be. Right from your green highlighted portion Bioware says "For us, it would be impossible to tell if a user was posting an item at a higher value to try to "scam" another user, or simply because that is what they want to sell it for. "

 

They CLEARLY demonstrate that they recognize a user posting an item at an inflated value is a "scam."

 

Thanks for clearing it up for us, though.

 

Uh, no. They said it's not an exploit, and took no position on whether or not it's a scam. Either it's a scam or it isn't. If it were a scam, it would be actionable. Go ahead and file a ticket if you accidentally pay 8M for something, and see if they refund your credits. The fact they won't says they aren't considering it a scam. It's a "buyer beware" situation.

In the meantime, enjoy your scamming while the decent among us folk discuss ways to rid the game of this problem. (It's never happened to me - I don't dabble in credit amounts that high - but I know smart people who had it happen because they didn't expect they would have to be that cautious in a game that makes everything else so easy.

 

So AFKing the game isn't bad enough, people want to be able to AFK shop as well. Great...

I don't scam the market. I barely use it, and am more likely to buy than sell. The solution is frickin pay attention to what you're buying, and quit expecting to have your hand held.

Edited December 1, 2015 by HarleysRule

[beattlebilly]

Even with out paying attention, even with "scammers" cleverly using decimal points, I'm still stuck on how you spent 8mill. on 1 permacrete? Or do you mean you paid that much for 1 stack of permacrete? Edited December 1, 2015 by beattlebilly

[Infernixx]

Pay attention to what you're doing and you'll never get stung by this.

 

There's a gorram confirmation window, 'read it' before you click Yes.

[Lord_Sleepy]

Pay attention to what you're doing and you'll never get stung by this.

 

There's a gorram confirmation window, 'read it' before you click Yes.

 

Pay attention? That's not nice, expecting people to actually be responsible for their actions is Soooooooooo wrong lol

 

because 00 is close enough to 000

[HarleysRule]

all the people here who want to look so smart and state: "you didn't pay attention, hahhaha" I understand where you stand. For once you may seem smarter than some random internet poster. So cool

For those of you, who actually can read with understanding (as I'm getting a bit tired of this) I wrote in my OP:

 

I just bought 1 permarcrete for over 8mil credits.

My bad

[...]Didn't pay attention today

 

so yes, I know I wasn't attentive enough on my purchase. Repeating this after me in form of advice and ill disguised joy does not make you any smarter.

 

I've participated in some heated discussions on this topic in the past here. I stated there that I wasn't scammed yet.

Well, nobody's perfect. I have been scammed. Given the number of GTN transactions I do on my various characters this is still not a bad outcome. Also, the money isn't that much to me.

 

But defending those who put those listings on the GTN, for whatever reason you might have (I really can't fathom your reasons, they are beyond me), bear in mind this could happen to your little brother, or your mother or whoever.

I don't care about my credits that much. I craft and earn too much to worry about those 8mil.

 

I care about those new, inexperienced or otherwise vulnerable players that are also in our game. People to group up with, people to trade with, people who fund our entertainment along with us. I don't want them to get discouraged by these nasty individuals that count on others' mistakes.

 

And it doesn't matter how you call them. I call them scammers. You might call them anything from half-honest to innocent sellers excercising their freedom to list. What matters is the fact that they hurt the community. Defending them, well you're just playing the useful idiot part.

 

WOW dude get some perceptive. They aren't getting their identity stolen IRL. They aren't buying a level 1 white piece of vendor trash thinking they just bought a BiS mod or implant. They overpaid for a clearly defined item because they didn't pay attention to how much they were spending. If making a mistake like that in a meaningless environment like this prevents from losing real money IRL, then take it as a cheap lesson learned.

 

Not having sympathy for people not paying attention spending fake money <> having joy in people screwing up. You're posting a helluva lot for someone that doesn't care about 8M credits. New, inexperienced players don't have 8M credits to drop on one item, and should be paying attention, regardless.

Edited December 1, 2015 by HarleysRule

[HoloTweed]

That's not a scam, skippy. That's just being devious and unethical.

 

Words have meaning and you don't get to redefine things in order to feel victimized.

 

Being devious and unethical is exactly what MAKES it a scam, old bean. That's part of the definition of scam, so no redefinition needed. There's a good fellow!

 

(Also - again, for those not paying attention - I don't personally feel victimized. I'm not a victim of this scam. I know people who are. Yep, they ARE victims of a scam. If they had paid more attention, they would not have fallen victim to the scam, but whether it's successful or not doesn't change the definition of the scam.)

 

I'm still baffled why you and others are fighting SO HARD about this. It is a scam, pure and simple. People are playing the interface in hopes of tricking others into paying way too much. That it is avoidable does not negate its status as a scam. MOST SCAMS ARE AVOIDABLE. They are still scams.

[TUXs]

Being devious and unethical is exactly what MAKES it a scam, old bean. That's part of the definition of scam, so no redefinition needed. There's a good fellow!

 

(Also - again, for those not paying attention - I don't personally feel victimized. I'm not a victim of this scam. I know people who are. Yep, they ARE victims of a scam. If they had paid more attention, they would not have fallen victim to the scam, but whether it's successful or not doesn't change the definition of the scam.)

 

I'm still baffled why you and others are fighting SO HARD about this. It is a scam, pure and simple. People are playing the interface in hopes of tricking others into paying way too much. That it is avoidable does not negate its status as a scam. MOST SCAMS ARE AVOIDABLE. They are still scams.

Brilliantly said Holo!

[HarleysRule]

Being devious and unethical is exactly what MAKES it a scam, old bean. That's part of the definition of scam, so no redefinition needed. There's a good fellow!

 

(Also - again, for those not paying attention - I don't personally feel victimized. I'm not a victim of this scam. I know people who are. Yep, they ARE victims of a scam. If they had paid more attention, they would not have fallen victim to the scam, but whether it's successful or not doesn't change the definition of the scam.)

 

I'm still baffled why you and others are fighting SO HARD about this. It is a scam, pure and simple. People are playing the interface in hopes of tricking others into paying way too much. That it is avoidable does not negate its status as a scam. MOST SCAMS ARE AVOIDABLE. They are still scams.

 

Someone's inability to differentiate 8,000,000 from 800,000 is not a scam. There is no deception involved. The item being sold and price are clearly stated. There's even a frickin confirmation to give you a chance to review your purchase FFS.

Edited December 1, 2015 by HarleysRule

[HoloTweed]

Uh, no. They said it's not an exploit, and took no position on whether or not it's a scam. Either it's a scam or it isn't. If it were a scam, it would be actionable.

 

Uh, yes. It's a scam. It's not an "exploit" and no one in here has said it was. Bioware is staying hands-off because this would require them to MANUALLY GO OVER EVERY INCIDENT IN QUESTION and try to determine if the misleading price was intentional. Scam does not equal exploit although it's a nice attempt on your part to vault logic and make that claim.

 

Why does this chap you so much? Sorry, but it IS a thing. It could be EASILY stopped with a change in display. You want to go on about "pay attention" but again, this is a game that promotes speed runs, which would include purchases. I don't personally need any more hand holding myself (my purchases are lower quantities and thought out) but for goodness sake, WHO DOES IT HURT to have a simple display safeguard put in place?

 

The game doesn't use decimals. The GTN shouldn't use them - if it didn't, there wouldn't even be this discussion.

[HarleysRule]

Uh, yes. It's a scam. It's not an "exploit" and no one in here has said it was. Bioware is staying hands-off because this would require them to MANUALLY GO OVER EVERY INCIDENT IN QUESTION and try to determine if the misleading price was intentional. Scam does not equal exploit although it's a nice attempt on your part to vault logic and make that claim.

 

Why does this chap you so much? Sorry, but it IS a thing. It could be EASILY stopped with a change in display. You want to go on about "pay attention" but again, this is a game that promotes speed runs, which would include purchases. I don't personally need any more hand holding myself (my purchases are lower quantities and thought out) but for goodness sake, WHO DOES IT HURT to have a simple display safeguard put in place?

 

The game doesn't use decimals. The GTN shouldn't use them - if it didn't, there wouldn't even be this discussion.

 

Because I'm effin sick of nothing being anyone's fault, even in a frickin video game. No one wants to take responsibility to take a couple seconds to make sure they're buying what they think they're buying and for how much, that's why...

 

Instead of asking devs to change the code for the market when there are actual bugs to hunt down, how about pay attention to WTH you're doing?

Edited December 1, 2015 by HarleysRule

[HoloTweed]

Someone's inability to differentiate 8,000,000 from 800,000 is not a scam. There is no deception involved. The item being sold and price are clearly stated. There's even a frickin confirmation to give you a chance to review your purchase FFS.

 

Someone's inability to differentiate is not the scam - that is FALLING for the scam. The SCAM is posting 8,000,000 when the going rate is 800,000 with the intent of getting someone to pay 7,200,000 more than they should. There is ABSOLUTELY deception involved - it's clear as day.

 

I have no idea why you seem to be encouraging the bilking of players' credits with such an obvious deception, but I guess maybe that is the type of person you are. It is certainly something a scammer would try to defend.

 

(To the point - if the prices posted are 800,000.00 and someone - say "you" - posts a price of 7,900,000 to scam someone who is quickly viewing prices into THINKING that it's a cheaper price, then the intent to scam is OBVIOUS. There isn't even an argument there. It's not like prices were 800,000 and someone posted 3,200,000 and then a buyer "accidentally" bought that amount - because they would NEVER momentarily confuse those two. The intent to deceive is clear: thus, a scam.)

[Infernixx]

Being devious and unethical is exactly what MAKES it a scam, old bean.

 

Scams are defined by deceptive practices.

 

There's no deception here, just a criminal lack of attention being paid by the buyer.

[Infernixx]

Someone's inability to differentiate is not the scam - that is FALLING for the scam. The SCAM is posting 8,000,000 when the going rate is 800,000 with the intent of getting someone to pay 7,200,000 more than they should. There is ABSOLUTELY deception involved - it's clear as day.

 

I have no idea why you seem to be encouraging the bilking of players' credits with such an obvious deception, but I guess maybe that is the type of person you are. It is certainly something a scammer would try to defend.

 

(To the point - if the prices posted are 800,000.00 and someone - say "you" - posts a price of 7,900,000 to scam someone who is quickly viewing prices into THINKING that it's a cheaper price, then the intent to scam is OBVIOUS. There isn't even an argument there. It's not like prices were 800,000 and someone posted 3,200,000 and then a buyer "accidentally" bought that amount - because they would NEVER momentarily confuse those two. The intent to deceive is clear: thus, a scam.)

 

I'm sorry, but you're attempting to redefine 'scam' to cover what happened here.

 

What happened here isn't a scam.

[HarleysRule]

Someone's inability to differentiate is not the scam - that is FALLING for the scam. The SCAM is posting 8,000,000 when the going rate is 800,000 with the intent of getting someone to pay 7,200,000 more than they should. There is ABSOLUTELY deception involved - it's clear as day.

 

I have no idea why you seem to be encouraging the bilking of players' credits with such an obvious deception, but I guess maybe that is the type of person you are. It is certainly something a scammer would try to defend.

 

(To the point - if the prices posted are 800,000.00 and someone - say "you" - posts a price of 7,900,000 to scam someone who is quickly viewing prices into THINKING that it's a cheaper price, then the intent to scam is OBVIOUS. There isn't even an argument there. It's not like prices were 800,000 and someone posted 3,200,000 and then a buyer "accidentally" bought that amount - because they would NEVER momentarily confuse those two. The intent to deceive is clear: thus, a scam.)

 

I actually never do this. I play EVE (where it's a way of life) and I don't do it there, either, but this thread is making me want to.

 

Use the tools you're given, and it's literally impossible for this to happen. If you sort items low to high price, how does this even happen?!?

Edited December 1, 2015 by HarleysRule

[beattlebilly]

Someone's inability to differentiate is not the scam - that is FALLING for the scam. The SCAM is posting 8,000,000 when the going rate is 800,000 with the intent of getting someone to pay 7,200,000 more than they should. There is ABSOLUTELY deception involved - it's clear as day.

 

I have no idea why you seem to be encouraging the bilking of players' credits with such an obvious deception, but I guess maybe that is the type of person you are. It is certainly something a scammer would try to defend.

 

(To the point - if the prices posted are 800,000.00 and someone - say "you" - posts a price of 7,900,000 to scam someone who is quickly viewing prices into THINKING that it's a cheaper price, then the intent to scam is OBVIOUS. There isn't even an argument there. It's not like prices were 800,000 and someone posted 3,200,000 and then a buyer "accidentally" bought that amount - because they would NEVER momentarily confuse those two. The intent to deceive is clear: thus, a scam.)

 

Just curious, but how do you know when it's a scam or not? And yes, I have seen a buyer buy something priced in millions when the rest of the items were in the hundreds of thousands, they did momentarily confuse 8,002,250 as the lowest price when the actual lowest price was 900,000. There were no decimal points to cause confusion, it was a dye and they don't stack, and there were only a few of them up, no more than 4.

Edited December 1, 2015 by beattlebilly

[Kianabamin]

Hmmm. Sort by price and pay attention, yup works for me each time.

Sorry, no sympathy here.

[_NovaBlast_]

I'm sorry, but you're attempting to redefine 'scam' to cover what happened here.

 

What happened here isn't a scam.

 

This ^

 

"my lack of paying attention got me" FIFY