Uruare Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 A fair option would be to tie an achievement for obtaining M1-4X via PvP. Then there is an option to skip it but the player does not get the achievement. Most won't care, some will be happy, the same few will keep crapping their pants. That sounds like a great compromise right there. I'd approve of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_riches Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That sounds like a great compromise right there. I'd approve of this. It does, just like the hidden achievement for Nico you get a achievement if you wait and recruit him naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That sounds like a great compromise right there. I'd approve of this. This sounds great, it should be one achievement, with two parts, one for 4X, and the other for Pierce, maybe even have a legacy title for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draqsko Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 How is that different for any other PvP reward that the PvE only people want? When Giradda's Rancor was revealed there were a ton of PvE players thinking they could get to Tier 1 magically. PvE players have regularly used PvP to get decent relics for Warzone commendations. Your 'problem' is a sunk cost. PvE focused players already inhabit Warzones. That's good. Some will catch the bug and keep doing it. Getting better and adding to the PvP population. Others will hate every minute of it, but still suffer through it because they want that digital reward so badly. Honestly on my server, there have been PVE heroes rolling through the warzone queues to get conquest points for the last year. I have no doubt that most of those PVE heroes in warzones are still there for the same reason, conquest points, since they basically removed crafting from conquest now. Like I said before, all this crying and threatening to ruin warzones is just a drop in the bucket of afkers, given the changes to conquest. We don't even notice the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordoKhan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Honestly on my server, there have been PVE heroes rolling through the warzone queues to get conquest points for the last year. I have no doubt that most of those PVE heroes in warzones are still there for the same reason, conquest points, since they basically removed crafting from conquest now. Like I said before, all this crying and threatening to ruin warzones is just a drop in the bucket of afkers, given the changes to conquest. We don't even notice the difference. +1 so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billupsat Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That sounds like a great compromise right there. I'd approve of this. Except then you'd be skipping the entire point of locking them behind PvP, which is to get players who really want him to at least try PvP. By doing that you're skipping his intended function, so no, I don't support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentientomega Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 You say "Try PvP", I say "Become victims for starving ganker gods? No thanks.", I support a CC payment to bypass the the PvP requirement IN ADDITION to the PvP requirement as it stands now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) You have a huge double standard with your principle. You only stand by that principle when it is us being forced to PvP, not them being force to PvE. And we don't have to PvP anywhere near as much as they have to PvE. Dude.. Spare us your rants about PVE.. 99% of all MMO's are all PVE.. Deal with it.. You have no argument here.. If you want something that is all PVP, then go play battle front.. It is inappropriate that M1-4K requires people to do 20 warzones.. I don't like PVP and do not wish to PVP.. I am on a PVE server.. So please.. Spare us your rants.. It isn't a double standard.. 20 warzones is a bit excessive.. I find it very telling that all the PVE servers are bursting at the seams with population to the point of having a queue sometimes.. The PVP servers are barely pushing a light population.. Bioware and PVPer's need to understand that people don't like being forced to PVP.. I say we donate one of the PVP servers and convert it to a PVE server.. Edited October 26, 2015 by MajikMyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_riches Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) You say "Try PvP", I say "Become victims for starving ganker gods? No thanks.", I support a CC payment to bypass the the PvP requirement IN ADDITION to the PvP requirement as it stands now. Me too, I have been around this game for nearly 3 years, I am pretty sure if I wanted to PvP I would have by now should I want to play against others I would load up Battlefield 4 and play that. But at least now we have a answer to "better than cross-server" which is by changing Conquests with only weekly heroics and crafting limitations along with M1-4x and Peirce and trying to make people PVP to obtain other goals. Edited October 26, 2015 by Jedi_riches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendaric Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Except then you'd be skipping the entire point of locking them behind PvP, which is to get players who really want him to at least try PvP. By doing that you're skipping his intended function, so no, I don't support that. Well, guess what? I´ve tried PvP in the past and didn´t enjoy it, I´d prefer to stay out of it which BW apparently doesn´t want. I don´t want to ruin warzones for the PVPers (or people in general who enjoy occasional PVP), but if I´m forced to I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well, guess what? I´ve tried PvP in the past and didn´t enjoy it, I´d prefer to stay out of it which BW apparently doesn´t want. I don´t want to ruin warzones for the PVPers (or people in general who enjoy occasional PVP), but if I´m forced to I will. You will ruin warzones for them if forced to? Do you mean active subversion or merely lower odds of success due to skill / competence concerns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraxusAngel Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) So....just so I can get this straight....I don't have to go through PVP if I am playing the class that the companion originated in? For instance, I can get Pierce without playing PVP as a SW, and Forex without playing PVP as a Trooper? I wouldn't really mind playing PVP, but I hate almost all of the game modes and everyone I wind up in WZs with is an *****hole. I'm more of a story/PVE person anyway, but as long as I can get my previous class companions without playing PVP I'm cool with that. Edited October 26, 2015 by TraxusAngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby-Girl Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) I have seen a number of "hard core" PVPers leave WZ b/c a lot of PVEers are trying to complete the 4X mission... It's sad really. Oddly enough, I have won a more unranked games this past week when these PVEers decided to join the fun and give PVP a try. It's fun, if you don't take it personally and if the PVPers take 2 seconds at the beginning of a WZ to give folks instruction of objectives. There's no need to remove PVP from the 4X ... it's just there to encourage folks to give something else in the game a try. Edited October 26, 2015 by Baby-Girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taramayne Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So....just so I can get this straight....I don't have to go through PVP if I am playing the class that the companion originated in? For instance, I can get Pierce without playing PVP as a Jugg? I wouldn't really mind playing PVP, but I hate almost all of the game modes and everyone I wind up in WZs with is an *****hole. I'm more of a story/PVE person anyway, but as long as I can get my previous class companions without playing PVP I'm cool with that. Yes, you can get pierce as a sith warrior or M1-4X as a trooper without having to do the PvP matches. Just use the conversation option that directly asks them to join you. I believe it's the same for the Jedi Consular and Qyzen; you don't have to go hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraxusAngel Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yes, you can get pierce as a sith warrior or M1-4X as a trooper without having to do the PvP matches. Just use the conversation option that directly asks them to join you. I believe it's the same for the Jedi Consular and Qyzen; you don't have to go hunting. Great. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby-Girl Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) So....just so I can get this straight....I don't have to go through PVP if I am playing the class that the companion originated in? For instance, I can get Pierce without playing PVP as a Jugg? I wouldn't really mind playing PVP, but I hate almost all of the game modes and everyone I wind up in WZs with is an *****hole. I'm more of a story/PVE person anyway, but as long as I can get my previous class companions without playing PVP I'm cool with that. Yes, if you are a Commando/Warrior, you just go talk to 4X/Pierce and there's an option to skip the requirements. Here's the thread from Dulfy: http://dulfy.net/2015/10/21/swtor-alliance-specialists-and-companion-recruitment-guide/#The_Forgotten_Trophy_Major_PierceM1-4X Edited October 26, 2015 by Baby-Girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) A fair option would be to tie an achievement for obtaining M1-4X via PvP. Then there is an option to skip it but the player does not get the achievement. Most won't care, some will be happy, the same few will keep crapping their pants. Here is a fair option.. NO PVP!!! Give us a PVE quest to get M1-4X and be done with it.. I am getting tired of Bioware attempting to force people to PVP.. If I wanted to PVP, I would.. I would get the gear and put some time into it.. But I don't.. I like the flashpoints and Ops.. All of which is PVE.. Heck there is a GSI daily that forces you to go into a PVP area to do a PVE quest.. For pete sake!! the only fair compromise here is to stop attempting to force people to do PVP.. Just saying.. Asking me to skip a cheevo is not fair nor a compromise.. Edited October 26, 2015 by MajikMyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendaric Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 You will ruin warzones for them if forced to? Do you mean active subversion or merely lower odds of success due to skill / competence concerns? I mean by lowering their odds due to a) competence/skill b) lack of PvP gear and c) a general preference of style over substance when it comes to gameplay. I don´t raid or do HM hardmode FPs for pretty much the same reason, to avoid ruining them for the rest of group and wasting their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billupsat Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well, guess what? I´ve tried PvP in the past and didn´t enjoy it, I´d prefer to stay out of it which BW apparently doesn´t want. I don´t want to ruin warzones for the PVPers (or people in general who enjoy occasional PVP), but if I´m forced to I will. Sweet GSIsus, You. Are. Not. Forced. Noboby is forced. M1-4X and Pierce are 100% optional, you don't have to have them, there are 2 dozen other companions you can get doing just PvE. If you don't want to PvP whatsoever, guess what, you don't need those 2 companions who are obviously supposed to be PvP oriented this go round, they even gain influence for every match you win after you receive them. You don't want to PvP? Guess what? You don't need that companion, simple as that, end of story. Nobody is forcing you to PvP anymore than they are forcing the PvP players to PvE, except guess what they have to, to get any of the companions except Pierce and 4X. The entitlement of the forum masses never ceases to amaze me. /end rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billupsat Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 You say "Try PvP", I say "Become victims for starving ganker gods? No thanks.", I support a CC payment to bypass the the PvP requirement IN ADDITION to the PvP requirement as it stands now. What you propose is a pay2win feature and no good will come of it. Its the gateway to bad things, next thing you know they'll have really popular companions like Kira or Jaesa and the only way to recruit them would be to spend cartel coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I mean by lowering their odds due to a) competence/skill b) lack of PvP gear and c) a general preference of style over substance when it comes to gameplay. I don´t raid or do HM hardmode FPs for pretty much the same reason, to avoid ruining them for the rest of group and wasting their time. Ah okay. I gotcha. I wasn't trying to be insulting with my wording; mostly was a lack of a proper way to say it. I can understand the impact those 3 factors can have on a warzone and wish you haste in getting the companion you want while minimizing their impact. Just asked to be safe since there has been at least one or two posters in this thread who have said they would actively grief / subvert their own team as an immature response to the PVP requirement. Based on your response, glad to see you are not among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celise Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah? And? Are you so weak that a few written comments make you cry? If that's the case, give up the game, hell, get off the internet! good to see i am right, huh. but one bad apple like yourself doesnt mean i should lay that bias on others. as for your attempt at provoking an equally negative response? thats your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 "I'm a PvE only player". This isn't a PvE only game, it's SWTOR. So if you wish to get everything possible in the game, you will have to change your mindset and become a SWTOR player. Someone asked how people would feel if you had to do X amount of space missions to get a companion. And while the number they listed was obscene, I'd happily do 30 space missions or GSF games if I wanted the companion. I don't particularly want to do either, but if I want the reward then that's how I'll do it. This is no different than players having to level classes they don't enjoy playing to gain Legendary status. Or players having to do jumping puzzles for datacrons to min/max for top tier PvE and PvP. In a game with as many possible playstyles as this game offers, the devs will reward you for doing as much as possible. If you are achievement or 100% completion driven, you will have to do some things you may not enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draqsko Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I have seen a number of "hard core" PVPers leave WZ b/c a lot of PVEers are trying to complete the 4X mission... It's sad really. Oddly enough, I have won a more unranked games this past week when these PVEers decided to join the fun and give PVP a try. It's fun, if you don't take it personally and if the PVPers take 2 seconds at the beginning of a WZ to give folks instruction of objectives. There's no need to remove PVP from the 4X ... it's just there to encourage folks to give something else in the game a try. It's not PvEers chasing 4X that are the problem. It's the conquest point farmers, since now their only option is to do PvP for conquest points to get the mats to craft level 65 gear. You guys chasing 4X for 20 matches are a drop in the bucket, we'll be dealing with this long after everyone has 4X because conquest is the only way to get Strategic Resource Matrix for crafting end game gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glower Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 As a PvP player.... Qyzen Fess requirements is not better, maybe even worse than M1-4X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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