DakhathKilrathi Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) As of the patch this week, primary and secondary weapons (and in some cases systems components) are deselected on many ships, and it is possible to go into a match that way. With no weapons. That is, no ability to play the game. This is a big deal. Because this shows up again even after you reselect your weapons/components, this is game-breaking. Players should not have to check all of their loadouts every time they log in. A fix would be nice, but if you can't do that, at least make it so that you can't queue for a match with no weapons selected. The new player experience is bad enough as it is without this mess. I don't know what the pattern is. It affects some ships, but not all, and it's not consistent across my alts. On my Pub side alt, all but one of my ships (all mastered) were affected. It looks like this when you see it. http://i.imgur.com/DjTxIk9.png Other players have also described the same problem: Hangar view: http://i.imgur.com/XjNrXdO.jpg I decided to take it for a spin... http://i.imgur.com/GiSC9X6.jpg I was less than optimally effective... http://i.imgur.com/tAjE3V3.jpg I was able to fix this back in the Hangar by simply selecting a weapon. But it certainly is strange. Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be any pattern. My Sting and Jurgoran were missing their BLC's, but my Mangler had its equipped. I had two Cartel ships missing HLC's, but my Razorwire had its fine. Still... DID THEY CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE MATRIX?! Some are reporting that it happens every time they log in. If that's the case, even just for some people, it's more than a minor inconvenience. Edit: confirmed that this has a chance to happen more than once on the same toon and on more than just weapons. See http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8392301#post8392301 for more information. All Major Components are affected. Edited September 10, 2015 by DakhathKilrathi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caederon Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) This affected me as well, on both servers I played on tonight. Players in matches were confusedly asking why they had no weapons and could not target people. The problem seemed random as to what ships it affected, and was in all cases that I encountered limited to primary weapons. Everyone I talked to had experienced the bug. This is ridiculous. New people trying GSF for the first time may end up with no weapons, no idea why they have no weapons, and no reason to bother figuring it out. Hotfix it, do not wait until the next patch. Despon Edited August 19, 2015 by caederon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemarus Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 It appears random each time you log in. Earlier today I logged in and my Sting was only missing its primary weapon. I fixed it. Later on I logged in again and my Sting (same character) was now missing its System component. It's something that happens on character login, when GSF data is first loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptwonline Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Observations: It doesn't happen to every ship. Usually 4 out of the 5 available, I notice. First Login: 1st component de-selected (blasters). Second Login: 2nd component de-selected. Third Login: 3 ships had 3rd component de-selected, 1 had the second component de-selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavaar Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 This has the potential to heavily discourage players that attempt to play GSF and are unable to fire during a match. I stumbled upon this bug earlier today, and to someone who is unable to discern that this is indeed a bug, it could leave a very very bad taste in their mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaowZedong Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 This is the kind of stuff that needs to be fixed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKonst Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Can confirm that it's happening here as well, including the random component AND the problem showing up AGAIN after re-starting SWTOR. The only thing we can do at the moment is copy-pasting a reminder in GSF-Chat before/after every game so that people may even fix their loadouts before going into their next match - but this does NOTHING for new players who are not in the GSF-Channel! This has to be fixed ASAP! Edited August 19, 2015 by OKonst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 I still can't see any sure pattern to this. Some alts are affected, some aren't. It's not always the same component. What I do know is that this bug has the potential to kill what remains of the GSF community. Please, at least acknowledge this. This can't be left this way for very long if you want the people who enjoy this part of the game to stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyghtrunner Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Ran into the same problem across 2 servers last night, and couldn't figure out a rhyme or reason. I've seen Primaries, Secondaries, and Systems affected so far. The Systems was even on a stock ship, with an alt that only has half a dozen games or so, so it doesn't seem to be something to do with maxed ships, which was kind of my initial hope. There really seems to be no pattern, and even fixing things doesn't guarantee they stay that way. As Nemarus said earlier, there seems to be a chance it will happen to some number of ships each time you log in. I don't want to whine or anything, but it definitely makes me think that there wasn't really any GSF testing prior to the 3.3.1 patch... I could see missing a spot check, I guess, but I can't believe a match was tried. And where it happens to weapons, they're just missing from the model in the hangar, so it's pretty easy to see which ships it has happened to right away. Were I to hazard a guess, it's some kind of order of operations issue, where it expects values that aren't set when the hangar is instantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediBoadicea Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Just adding another post to keep this bumped up. Like others, I can confirm this is still happening today, with new "deselected" components randomized upon each login. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Yup. I had the lovely surprise of not have anything to fight with for a whole match. Not how I wanted to start my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexneedleman Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Same as the others, just posting to keep this bumped up. I enjoy GSF and it's kinda getting on my nerves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaitWatson Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hey folks, We are aware of the issue, and the team is actively investigating it. There is no update currently, but it is definitely on their radar. -Tait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thank you for acknowledging the problem. I know a fix won't be immediate, but I want to stress again how serious this problem is. It's difficult enough to get new players into GSF as it is without this being an obstacle. Here's hoping for an update soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nireesh Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Good to know devs are aware of this. I played a match wondering if my mouse was broken before I found out in GSF chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Killjoy Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Says little good about how this game is coded that it's this fragile, with the same things repeatedly "breaking" over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 So has anyone managed to get a ship with all of the primary components cleared yet? I think it might be possible, and it would be funny to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 So has anyone managed to get a ship with all of the primary components cleared yet? I think it might be possible, and it would be funny to see. The other day I forgot about this bug (was away from GSF a few days) and ended up in a GS with no pri/sec weapon. I suppose it served me right for using a GS though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Well, yeah, we've seen primary/secondary weapons cleared. Frequently. That's the whole problem (see the image in my first post). I want to know if anyone has had the entire top section cleared on anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychopyro Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Well, yeah, we've seen primary/secondary weapons cleared. Frequently. That's the whole problem (see the image in my first post). I want to know if anyone has had the entire top section cleared on anything yet. Yes, I had this happen last night on my Warcarrier. Everything in the top half was blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Can we get some kind of update on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaowZedong Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Another week. Really bad bug still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Going on two weeks now. This isn't okay. I subscribe primarily for GSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALaggyGrunt Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Says little good about how this game is coded that it's this fragile, with the same things repeatedly "breaking" over time. What's really sad is we gave it admin privileges on our computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) What's really sad is we gave it admin privileges on our computers. No, what's sad is that you pay for something where a major, game breaking bug is allowed to exist without a patch for weeks at a time with no updates beyond the initial "yeah we know about this" from the devs. C'mon, can we get an update here? If it's not going to be patched anytime soon, at least let us know. I understand that GSF is not a major part of the game, and as such it isn't going to see a lot of attention. That's fine. Just let us know what to expect. Is that asking too much? Edited September 2, 2015 by DakhathKilrathi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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