XiamaraSimi Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Consider me impressed that BW actually took action. Indeed this strikes something off the list of things i am unhappy with. I honestly thought they wouldnt do anything. Reading these posts they definilty are in the damned if you do damned if you dont boat though, so many people mad they are actually punushing people. That however doesnt suprise me at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Indeed this strikes something off the list of things i am unhappy with. I honestly thought they wouldnt do anything. Reading these posts they definilty are in the damned if you do damned if you dont boat though, so many people mad they are actually punushing people. That however doesnt suprise me at all... And quite a few expressing anger that more was not done. Overall though it seems most people are finding everything acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well, I am still waiting to see if they screw this up somehow. With their recent track record it would not surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojomagro Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well, I am still waiting to see if they screw this up somehow. With their recent track record it would not surprise me. As soon as the forum ban lifts I expect to see alot of people claiming gear was wrongfully taken. Even if it wasn't, people will try to take advantage of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Killjoy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well, I am still waiting to see if they screw this up somehow. With their recent track record it would not surprise me. I wonder if there will be any poetic irony... one of the people calling for lifetime bans or total gear loss, getting severely nailed accidentally because of a data glitch or human error inside Bioware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalmeseReb Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Way to make a mountain out of a molehill. Now that that's over, how about you stop wasting resources on this nonsense and direct them at identifying and fixing bugs in the game. it's not a molehill it gave those people a huge unfair economic advantage over the majority of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frybert Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well, I am still waiting to see if they screw this up somehow. With their recent track record it would not surprise me. Well, so far, consistency seems to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadgetDon Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 No. It was known it was an exploit. Exploits are against the TOS. The exploiters shouldn't have received leniency just because they didn't expect to be punished. Exploiting has always been risk vs reward deal, and though the risk seemed little after so much inaction in the past, they were still risking bans by breaking TOS. How, specifically, was it known to be an exploit, at least until the post was made about "the exploit going around". I'll grant that in this case you could have a reasonable belief that it was an exploit. But there are other mechanisms that seem a bit odd, even some that were made not to work after a patch. We've been explicitly told that using the slot machine for vast amounts of jawa junk wasn't an exploit (nor renting access to your stronghold so others could use your slot machine for vast amounts of jawa junk) and yet they changed it so you can't get vast amounts of jawa junk. You could get lots of expert and ultimate commendations from doing level 55 content, that got changed but no one official has called it an exploit. Again, I'll grant that this one was obviously not as they intended it to work, though when patch after patch went by it wasn't hard to think "but they don't care about it, they're fine with this behavior". The only thing that could be said is that a lot of players considered it an exploit and were shouting to Bioware to punish the exploiter. And you got the punishment. Yahoo. I wasn't a participant in this, so have no worries. I have done other things that someone might call an exploit, though I'd call it strategically using the in game mechanisms. And as near as I can tell, my only risk is if a lynch mob forms from people saying "punish the people who do this". And that's a LOUSY way to run a community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterWentz Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I wonder if there will be any poetic irony... one of the people calling for lifetime bans or total gear loss, getting severely nailed accidentally because of a data glitch or human error inside Bioware. Stranger things have happened.... but lets hope not, because no need to give pitch forkers a new cause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grombrinda Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) it's not a molehill it gave those people a huge unfair economic advantage over the majority of the players. What are you talking about ??!!?? The only unfair advantage right now is the scarcity of lvl 11 purple mats....if they just fix crew skills to begin with there wouldn't be such an outcry over everything that has happened so far!!! Edited January 29, 2015 by grombrinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Well, so far, consistency seems to be a problem. But most certainly not the ONLY problem. The list is as long as my arm, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoforcer Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Now people can move on pls for the love of all thing swtor Eric work on fixing the bugs and take a little more time testing pls thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JolietJerry Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Oh and your argument is invalid since, the above highlighted. So the people who exploited and (noticed the and) also jumped on everyone who was posting displeasure in the changes to slots and the rate drops of certs/etc and relentlessly hounded, them, berated them, made fun of them... Eat up your punishments! How does it feel? I hope it feels great! On my end of the things, since I did not exploit, I am basking in the QQ glory! I cant wait to read more butthurt. This thread has made my week/day/weekend/month. Karma, gotta love it. Lighten up, Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gytheran Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Yes, start working to make this a better game... Give GF the option of 8m, FIX THE BOSS BUGS. Make the end game content reliable so it gives people the incentive to want to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaden_Antilles Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 It's nice to see that action will indeed be taken and that they took the time to dig through accounts to find the worse offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhame Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Lighten up, Francis. From the movie Stripes!! Lol nice..... Bill *********** Murry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 OK, this is great but what about all of the people who exploited the Baz Nitches? What are you going to do about that???? haha every other thing you did in that game was an exploit - it was so buggy in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhame Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I wonder if there will be any poetic irony... one of the people calling for lifetime bans or total gear loss, getting severely nailed accidentally because of a data glitch or human error inside Bioware. Bwahahahahahahahahaha..... Human error inside BioWare... How dare you? That can never happen....... Buawahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 From the movie Stripes!! Lol nice..... Bill *********** Murry Harold Ramis, John Candy and the one and only John Larroquette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusRex Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I don't disagree with punishing exploiters, but considering BioWare's past history of not doing so, which was basically encouragement for players to exploit, you should have given more warnings and less suspensions. In other words, you created the problem by continually not doing anything about exploit after exploit, setting the precedent that exploiting is not only OK, but required to keep up, and then after 3 years of this you decide to come down hard on players. Again, I'm fine with punishing exploiters, but you should have been consistent on it for the past three years, and since you weren't you should have stated that you failed to do so in the past, and use this opportunity as a chance to warn players not to do it anymore instead of going from "do whatever, we don't care" to "exploiters must be purged!" seems a rather extreme shift in policy all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 So you have zero sympathy for people that exploit unless you are able to benefit from the exploit personally? That is how I am reading your comment. nope zero sympathy at all. The difference is in the type of exploit. This one is a completely obvious abuse of a bug. The others were mechanical in nature that still had a chance of failure. I have never benefited personally from an exploit regardless of what you may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 * snip * Better late than never. This is the way it should have ALWAYS been. Kudos to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icestar Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 We appreciate your understanding of our position and hope you’ll continue to enjoy your time with us. We have a lot of great additions coming to SWTOR this year and we look forward to sharing them with you. -eric Thankyou and we look foward to your posts regarding the future of SWTOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I don't disagree with punishing exploiters, but considering BioWare's past history of not doing so, which was basically encouragement for players to exploit, you should have given more warnings and less suspensions. In other words, you created the problem by continually not doing anything about exploit after exploit, setting the precedent that exploiting is not only OK, but required to keep up, and then after 3 years of this you decide to come down hard on players. Again, I'm fine with punishing exploiters, but you should have been consistent on it for the past three years, and since you weren't you should have stated that you failed to do so in the past, and use this opportunity as a chance to warn players not to do it anymore instead of going from "do whatever, we don't care" to "exploiters must be purged!" seems a rather extreme shift in policy all at once. I don't really agree with the 'encouraging exploiters to keep up' part, but in general I do agree that if you're going to radically shift the policy you shouldn't go from zero action to zero tolerance either. That said, everyone guilty of this knew better. They had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drockter Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Better late than never. This is the way it should have ALWAYS been. Kudos to them. /Seconded Additionally, had there been nothing but warnings... it would have been looked at as an empty gesture. Then the next time it would have been the whole debate all over again... "you didn't do anything last time..." I, for one, believe that they did take into consideration lack of action on priors... if posts here are to be believed, the majority received a short suspension, with loss of crafting schematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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