DrMeth Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The change was needed and I am glad they did it. When 2.0 came out with TFB and SV, those two operations were the only ways of obtaining Ultimate Commendations besides the Classic Ops Weekly (EV, KP, or EC HM) and the group finder ops weekly (and possibly the 55 HM FP weekly, but not sure on that). The older ops did not drop Ultimate Comms. Then DF and DP came out, and we had 4 operations for Ultimate Comms. This is a new content cycle and its no different. Eventually as more content is released there will be more ways of obtaining them. This encourages people to learn and do the new operations to get their comms and at the same time get the new operations gear which is 10x better than anything on the vendors. Not to mention, 186s and 192s from the vendors are more than enough to do every bit of content in the game without any issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Me neither. I am happy with this. Why are you happy? Less rewarding content and less incentive to run old Ops is something that makes you happy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmoffitt Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Assume joke/troll post. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Overall I like the change. 55's being more profitable than 60's was silly. Maaaaybe I'd make DF/DP HM drop a few ultimates but that's a minor quibble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnAskham Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) If legacy gear did not exist or bound shells meant mods were character bound, then there might be a case for saying some amount of better than Basic commendations should be awarded for participating in older trivial content. As it stood with 3.0, players were running level 55 16 M SM Ops that could be done with half that number all day on multiple alts for Ultimate comms to buy gear and pull mods for use with legacy gear to gear up one, two, multiple characters (or using legacy gear, multiple ACs) in just a few weeks time, which was absurd. Do players who do not participate in current level 60 Ops content need ways to continue their character's gear progression? Yes they do, though it shouldn't be through farming old trivial content on a dozen alts. Do players of all skill level need more content with a bit more diversity in difficulty level at 60? Yes they do, maybe through challenging solo dailies and weeklies or through a new 'easy mode' GF Ops difficulty. Right now making this change without addressing non Operations progression, increasing the content available at 60, or offering more varied difficulty levels for level 60 content, has the potential to drive off players. And regardless of what type of players these are, or how you personally feel about their play style choices, less players in game is not a good thing. Edited January 13, 2015 by DawnAskham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Why are you happy? Less rewarding content and less incentive to run old Ops is something that makes you happy?! I'm happy because there wasn't enough incentive to run the new content, when people could just run the old for 198s. Now they can run them for 192s if they wish. Old content should never give top tier gear (even if it's just comm gear). This is exactly how it was in 2.0 and there were still plenty of ops forming for old content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm happy because there wasn't enough incentive to run the new content, when people could just run the old for 198s. Now they can run them for 192s if they wish. Old content should never give top tier gear (even if it's just comm gear). This is exactly how it was in 2.0 and there were still plenty of ops forming for old content. I disagree...armorings and because they're NEW was incentive to run them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Therein lies the problem. It was not challenging. Therefore why should it reward gear that is nearly the best available? because you want to continue to have a larger percentage of players doing op content at all. because that is how smart devs stay employed. the uber few dont pay the bills. this decision will emphasize just how little actual content came out with 3.0. the dailies are a joke, once you have the rep you wont want to do them at all, 1 night a week to do sm rav/tos. if they had more 60 content on the way, this might work, but that isnt going to happen. they have gotten rid of content without anything to replace it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 because you want to continue to have a larger percentage of players doing op content at all. because that is how smart devs stay employed. the uber few dont pay the bills. this decision will emphasize just how little actual content came out with 3.0. the dailies are a joke, once you have the rep you wont want to do them at all, 1 night a week to do sm rav/tos. if they had more 60 content on the way, this might work, but that isnt going to happen. they have gotten rid of content without anything to replace it with. Absolutely true. 3.0 was anemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 That's a bit overly dramatic, don't you think? not completely. big disasters are made up of little mistakes. once accounts cancel and people are gone it is too late to get them back. no one thing will kill the game but if you get enough things, they add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I think a good solution would be to just up the number of Ultimates given out for the Classic Op weekly quest. That way you won't have people farming SnV for 150 comms per week, yet there's still incentive to run the old stuff. Overall I like the changes but I do agree that 2 Ops per week isn't quite enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drockter Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) I disagree...armorings and because they're NEW was incentive to run them. What you state above, at least from that I have personally witnessed, didn't pan out. There were far more calls to run the older ops than the new ops on JC fleet. Of course, I am not on 24 hours a day... so this is my observation... your experience might be different. The sense I got was people wanted to earn the comms in the most efficient manner available to them (older content). Its not a matter of entitlement, or "taking the easy road", imo... but of time/effort decision. Groups were bumrushing TfB and SnV for comms so that their entrance into the new ops could be made easier with the higher teir comm gear. That being said, the Lvl 60 Content was anemic (your other content)... of that there can be no doubt. I think they went a little far with the comm change (especially given the lack of lvl 60 missions that award Ultimates). Somebody did the math, and it is possible to weekly cap... but it made me shudder. I think a better plan would have been to remove Ultimates from SnV , TfB, TC Story Mode... Leave them for HM. Leave DP/DF as is. Edited January 13, 2015 by Drockter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What you state above, at least from that I have personally witnessed, didn't pan out. There were far more calls to run the older ops than the new ops on JC fleet. Uh...that has zero to do with the rewards and absolutely everything to do with the difficulty. The new Ops were not at all PuG friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasthunt Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Agreed. I'm cool with them getting rid of the comms in SM, but at least leave them in for HM / NiM. Bad decision BioWare. Bad. I agree. Now we have zero reason to run ops other than Ravengers and ToS. Zero reason. They just knocked several items off the list from a shallow end game as it is. Meh, it's their money they will be losing, but then again, I know they don't want subs. They want cartel coin buyers. Not sure EAware understands there are plenty of other games that people can migrate to when they make decisions against the masses and cater to the few. Edited January 13, 2015 by beasthunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyTank Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Guess I'm the only one who runs them for a chance at decorations? 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 if you're not doing top-end content..you don't need the top-end gear. end of discussion. provide enough high end content and you might have a point. the whole reason for all of this is to keep subscriptions. this isnt the way to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanhedgehog Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Uh...that has zero to do with the rewards and absolutely everything to do with the difficulty. The new Ops were not at all PuG friendly. or even remotely bug free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayseven Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I really think this game reward system is broken. It's a repeat ice grind bioware you need to come up with something better stand above the crowd and be the best. Um...this is the same system MMO's have used since they were first created. The gear ladder gets raised with the release of new content. Players strive for new gear levels. Eventually the ladder gets raised again. It's all well and good to think that a system used to success for almost two decades by MMO's is "broken", but unless you have a better idea to entice players into new content it simply won't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibobpipop Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Can someone clarify what exactly now drops ultimates? Got a wide range of hysterical infos ingame, where the most bizzare was that only level 60 nightmare ops would drop ultimates....guess that person didn't care they don't exist >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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