dkangl Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Totle says it all tired of people rolling on gear they CANT use because they are not paying attention or dont care. I have lost 3 chest pieces to classes that cant use them because of this. Please fix asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Please fix asap. How exactly do you want Bioware to fix something like someone clicking need on gear they can't use? There's a difference between what someone can use and what someone should use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoraStrife Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Fix what? Thats not a bug, thats just MMO's. They probably dont even know they cant use it and rolled on it for their companion. Welcome to online games bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekadez Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I play with friends or guildmates, I'm not having these issues. It's an MMO, people ninja all the time. As long as servers remain closed, aka. no cross-server LFD tools, the community can handle the problem. Cross-server LFD are a breeding ground for ninjas due to the lack of social control. Edited December 22, 2011 by Dekadez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigthiszagthat Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Make the group yourself, set to master loot, profit. I believe a big part of the problem, from what I have encountered so far, is people collecting loot for companions with no regard for actual players. Another solution, find a guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hostee Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Totle says it all tired of people rolling on gear they CANT use because they are not paying attention or dont care. I have lost 3 chest pieces to classes that cant use them because of this. Please fix asap. Obviously this is your first MMO game. Why in the world would they want to change this? You know how much money I make by looting Blue/Green/Orange gear for other classes then selling them on the Auction House? A lot. It encourages you to socialize with other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenthorn Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 other mmos have fixed this roll need, it is bound to you, no selling or sending to alts if your class can't use the item, you cannot roll need ie... bounty hunter rolling need on light saber etc.. why didn't BW in the 5 years or this figure this out, other have..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerpunkt Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Fix what? Thats not a bug, thats just MMO's. They probably dont even know they cant use it and rolled on it for their companion. Welcome to online games bro. Not all MMO's operate that way. The OP may be from a game like City of Heroes where the drops you earn go right into your characters inventory. They have no issues with players clicking "need" for things they can't use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthIsurus Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Obviously this is your first MMO game. Why in the world would they want to change this? You know how much money I make by looting Blue/Green/Orange gear for other classes then selling them on the Auction House? A lot. It encourages you to socialize with other players. He means in a party, people shouldn't be awarded loot that isn't for their class. Perhaps he's suggesting it shouldn't show up for them, and only be viewable to those that would actually use it. If you're soloing, you should be able to get anything. But people find it annoying when a class gets gear that isn't for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakner Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Also, Even WOW implemented a 1 hour grace period for trading BOP looted items within the original looting group members. Edited December 22, 2011 by Brakner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Not all MMO's operate that way. Yes but in CoH there was never any rolling for items either. It just goes into your inventory as you said. In this game they used the need/greed method with people being able to roll on stuff. I should of perhaps said in none of the Need/Greed systems have fixed this. Binding an item to you won't stop it either, people could still click need. Plus then you have things like a Jedi Guardian being able to roll need on all armor, heavy, med, light because they can wear any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnak Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 play with friends or play solo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThndrMge Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 other mmos have fixed this roll need, it is bound to you, no selling or sending to alts if your class can't use the item, you cannot roll need ie... bounty hunter rolling need on light saber etc.. why didn't BW in the 5 years or this figure this out, other have..... Because of companions. Just because the Bounty Hunter can't use that lightsaber one of his companions might be able to. (I don't actually know if Bounty hunters get a sith/jedi companion, but yeah.) And honestly, complaining about "But thats just a stupid NPC, players should have priority!" yes that's true, but at the same time, that companion might be extremely vital for a player. For example, as a Healing spec Sorcerer I rely heavily on Khem to tank for me, so I need decent armor for him. If I find something that is a very significant upgrade, I'll roll for it. A simple solution to THIS problem however, would be to add another button besides "need/greed/disassemble" called "Companion" which allows you to roll for something in an effort to give it to your companion. It would have lower priority than Need and higher priority than greed/disassemble. Problem solved. You can then use the WoW loot system that prevents players from rolling need on armor types outside their "highest" armor grade. (Like Heavy for Juggernaughts, Light for Sorcerers, etc) but if they need it for their companion, they can roll "companion" which binds the item to them (to prevent ninjaing to auction/trade to players/etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Where are all the people who insist that having no LFD tool fixes this behavior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonktonkGigolo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Fix what? Thats not a bug, thats just MMO's. They probably dont even know they cant use it and rolled on it for their companion. Welcome to online games bro. Rift doesn't allow players to roll need on items they can't use. Ie: Mages can only roll need on cloth. Everything else you can roll greed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinguaq Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Are not most Bind on Equip? So.... people can use on their other toons, or even their companions? FWIW - I always role greed unless I can use it on my current toon, but since I realize everyone else is not me I'm fine with them not always thinking like me. As others say, I would suggest to put them on ignore and not group with them anymore. Edited December 22, 2011 by Pinguaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Perhaps he's suggesting it shouldn't show up for them, and only be viewable to those that would actually use it. But how do you decide what gear is for what class? Does heavy armor with +aim +end only show up for Troopers, and +str +end for Jedi Guardians? I mean in theory you could do it, but it would also require that every bit of gear is flagged for X class. Then there's the issue of companions. I personally would never roll need for a companion item, but my Smuggler can actually make use of heavy armor by giving it to Bowdaar or Akaavi Spaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorgonKara Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yeah some people roll Need on gear for their alts or to sell, which I think is kind of lame. If I'm in a party and something drops that someone in the party can use for their main, I usually Pass or roll Greed. Rolling need on gear drops you obviously cannot use is a good way to get a bad reputation in MMOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anosa Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 i agree. i had a BH take a sabar last week that i needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorgonKara Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Where are all the people who insist that having no LFD tool fixes this behavior? The only way to fix it is to eliminate loot drops or the need/greed rolling system. I think the argument against LFD is that it makes it easier to be a ninja because you're not even grouped with players from your server. Edited December 22, 2011 by MorgonKara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caelrie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The only way to fix it is to eliminate loot drops or the need/greed rolling system. I think the argument against LFD is that it makes it easier to be a ninja because you're not even grouped with players from your server. And isn't what's happening proving that it happens anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorgonKara Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 And isn't what's happening proving that it happens anyway? Not very often in my experience. You don't want to get a reputation as a loot ninja on your server unless you like soloing a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerpunkt Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yes but in CoH there was never any rolling for items either. It just goes into your inventory as you said. In this game they used the need/greed method with people being able to roll on stuff. I should of perhaps said in none of the Need/Greed systems have fixed this. Binding an item to you won''t stop it either, people could still click need. Plus then you have things like a Jedi Guardian being able to roll need on all armor, heavy, med, light because they can wear any of it. Personally I don''t understand why some MMO''s choose the need/greed method. It just seems to generate animosity between players because there will always be people trying to grab everything for themselves. The loot issue doesn''t bother me too much in the games that use the Need/Greed, but that''s probably because I tend to solo in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThndrMge Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Personally I don''t understand why some MMO''s choose the need/greed method. It just seems to generate animosity between players because there will always be people trying to grab everything for themselves. The loot issue doesn''t bother me too much in the games that use the Need/Greed, but that''s probably because I tend to solo in those games. I believe the idea is to limit the number of BoEs floating around, or something. If one BoE drops for a group of 4, instead of everyone getting a copy (making 4 copies of the item) just 1 person gets it, thus only 1 copy for 4 people, or something. Honestly I prefer the "something random for everyone" idea myself, but only for bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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