mfourcustom Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Watch listen get it to the devs somehow make sure they see it. -Thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmuu9bnih9Y&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mularky Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 You are right about being easy to play, but I do not think there is another class in this game that is not easy to play. VG/PT defensive cooldown was their burst. On a PVE POV you only brought a VG/PT to a raid group or progression group b/c of their high dps number they have no group utility. The reason i loved my vanguard so much was how mobile it was that was my favorite part. I do agree with you on the roll backs and I do not want to wait a year for some changes like the commandos had to wait these changes need happen asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayshames Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I just jumped on my 50 VG that's been shelved for a bit and I ran full Tactics, it seemed pretty neat damage. I got highest damage on my Voidstar Warzone. Sure I'm not getting the big hits that other classes are getting but the 4k stockstrike / HIB / Fire Pulse all add up. I haven't tried Assault yet as I've heard that's the one that got nerfed most, I'll give that a bash next. EDIT: OH and alot of my gear was BM (I couldn't be bothered changing) and only had 1.4k~ Expertise. EDIT: Second match as Assault. The only nerf I can see is the reduction to damage from CGC, overall I think I did OK, only got +600 damage over 2nd spot for highest damage. The CGC nerf is pretty horrid but it's not as bad as I thought it was after seeing so many people complain. I might actually start my VG again, I actually quite enjoyed playing Tactics. Edited April 19, 2013 by Jayshames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHARRIIS Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Personally i think they just enjoy f****** over troopers it's ridiculous how we've been getting slammed on the commando side or VG side no matter what, the first 2 patch re-balances on VG were reasonable but now its just a damn shame. Ill be amazed if they get off their butts to actually do anything about this but as it sits right now VG is basically useless (by useless i mean we don't have anything that other classes can't bring to the table) dps wise tacts or assault either way we got slammed. As for now my VG is on the shelf because right now my commando assault is better than VG right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReclaimerDonar Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Very good video, you summed up pretty much everything. I hope BioWare sees this, and does something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZillaElite Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Preach Brother Preach....hope your voice gets heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfourcustom Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share Posted April 20, 2013 After watching this video for the first time since upload i just wanna say i was kinda hung over and it was 7 am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCorporalDan Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 After watching this video for the first time since upload i just wanna say i was kinda hung over and it was 7 am In true trooper spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylooin Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 /bump VGs Bioware fix our class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luco-Zade Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Bump for the cause. Power to the Trooper !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happalula Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 bump for re-balancing VG/PT cant be real with those def-CDs on cooldowns that long while not being any real threat to ppl and getting raped by 3 skills by some classes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ThEoNe- Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Amen, totally agree with everything you said including the nerfs that we received prior to 2.0 were deserving, but the 2.0 nerfs were totally unwarranted. Fully support this video and I pray that the dev team take a few minutes to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baalzamon Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) I just jumped on my 50 VG that's been shelved for a bit and I ran full Tactics, it seemed pretty neat damage. I got highest damage on my Voidstar Warzone. Sure I'm not getting the big hits that other classes are getting but the 4k stockstrike / HIB / Fire Pulse all add up. My Shadow and Gunslingers 7-9k hits also adds up. Edited May 18, 2013 by Baalzamon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosenstangle Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Add another bump for the cause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozivicus Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 My Shadow and Gunslingers 7-9k hits also adds up. This. This is exactly the kind of bs that makes the vanguard nerfs completely mindboggling. Why take our burst and good DPS away while leaving high burst and DPS on others? We were fine where we were at, considering we had ZERO defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolus Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Bumpity bump bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mularky Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What I want to know is why it took them a year and a half to nerf a "op" class. I don't think we werer ever op. That was how the class played. We were a glass cannon that really did melt ppl. If you catch us without our shield or any cooldowns we were done. People say a dot class should not have burst. If that was true all the dot classes would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macroeconomics Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 People say a dot class should not have burst. The reality is that DoT classes in SWTOR suck. DoTs actually hurt your team because in high level PvP, the only way you can nodes is through strategic use of mezz/cc. DoTs prevent your team from doing that. Look at the DoT classes. Merc Pyro - unused. Mara Annihilation - least used of the Mara classes. In 1.7, there were only two DoT subclasses that got any play time. PT Pyro, because it wasn't really a DoT class, it was a burst single target class. And Lethality because it was actually an AoE class. Now in 2.0, PT Pyro has been fully converted to a DoT class. But with it's primary DoT nerfed by 50%. Doh. Yeah, that's not going to be compelling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The reality is that DoT classes in SWTOR suck. DoTs actually hurt your team because in high level PvP, the only way you can nodes is through strategic use of mezz/cc. DoTs prevent your team from doing that. Look at the DoT classes. Merc Pyro - unused. Mara Annihilation - least used of the Mara classes. In 1.7, there were only two DoT subclasses that got any play time. PT Pyro, because it wasn't really a DoT class, it was a burst single target class. And Lethality because it was actually an AoE class. Now in 2.0, PT Pyro has been fully converted to a DoT class. But with it's primary DoT nerfed by 50%. Doh. Yeah, that's not going to be compelling... Have you seen a dirty fighting gunslinger at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolus Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 If you are going to make a class a full DOT class the logical thing to do is give it necessary tools to survive. There goes my daily bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 /bump And give the tank tree some if its old shield chance back, why BW thought the shield specialist tree should have the least shield chance is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daylooin Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) /bump and supported! 2.0 destroyed the Vanguard. Bioware, please fix our class! Edited May 21, 2013 by Daylooin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatology Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 My vanguard got more burst, self healing, and can now shield force and elemental attacks........what am I suppose to be mad about? I got 3 buffs and no nerfs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunamii Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Vanguard didn't need a nerf at all! and it got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolus Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 My vanguard got more burst, self healing, and can now shield force and elemental attacks........what am I suppose to be mad about? I got 3 buffs and no nerfs.... Wow... just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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